BF2S Forums Which is your opinion on POE2?

sergeriver wrote:

The infantry in POE2 is screwed, you must use a vehicle or you will get your purple heart.  There's a lot of vehicles, but f.i. the tanks are too east to destroy.  I think a good pilot here has total advantage.
To resume I think it's a good mod, but it's just a 7 for it, score helped by the nice maps.

I score it a nine out of ten.

PoE 2 is excellent work.  Nice job on the weapons models.

I'd give it a 7. Not too bad for a bunch of amateurs.

9 1/2 of 10!

Last edited by -Solv3r- (2006-09-01 15:26:33)

I'd give it a 9 for now since I've not made it through all the maps.  I find the environments totally immersive.  I'll echo the comments about Fallen...you flat out get lost in the dense forest...

You lay down, hoping to ambush a squad....you hear footsteps...you hold your breath and try not to move....then you jump up and unload a whole clip...into a bush!!!!  The games I've played on Fallen have been more intense than any vanilla BF2 or expansion pack maps.

Not sure why everyone thinks the weapons aren't accurate.  Holy crap!  I seem to kill (and get killed) pretty quick during enemy encounters.  I'm mainly a boots on ground guy so maybe I'm biased. Anyone else that's an infantry whore LOVING the stingers???  Woot!  Been waiting for you my friend, glad to finally meet you.  Bring the helo jocks in...you've got a chance now.

I'll also echo the comments about teamwork being a necessity.  You really need to squad up, cover the kits throughout the squad and communicate your movements. Lone wolves will struggle in this mod.

Sounds, very sharp and brilliant. Anyone notice that gunfire in Fallen even has a slight echo to it? Very nice touch.  I've said it in other posts, PoE2 Devs...my hats off and I THANK YOU for this.

i give it 109 like the first pick was

9 Best Mod out by far. Better than an expansion/booster pack EA will try to sell you. The Maps are Teamwork intense and the guys that complain about the accuracy surely havent piscked up an assualt rifle. People just get settled into stale vanilla and can't adapt. Orel/Fallen rock .

it is a-ok. id say a six. there are a lot of weapon imbalances (shotty), as well as a way overpowered frogfoot. the sounds are good, and some of the maps are excellent. other than that, its just a mod, doesnt come close to bf2

I like infantry combat.

Fallen is blech.

Further, the artillery is just not feasible.  The BF2 community is the BF2 community, no matter what mod you're running.

That said, claymore spamming is almost nonexistant.  The community is not interested in whoring KDR?

Eugefunk84 wrote:

I would also like to point out that in the game the anit-personnel tank rounds are labeled HEAP, when in reality, they are known as HEAT. I know you are thinking HEAP stands for High Explosive Anti Personnel. However, in reality it stands for High Explosive Anti Tank. Thats because in real life both Sabot and HEAT rounds are designed to deal with tanks, except designed to penetrate different types of armor. A game came out several years back called Operation Flashpoint that introduced HEAT and Sabot rounds for your tank and stated that HEAT should be used against infantry and I think thats how this misconception got started. If you read any military website, it explicitly states that both HEAT and Sabot are anti tank munitions. There is no such thing as a HEAP round, as it appears in game.

HEAT stands for high explosive anti tank and is designed for that purpose. for the sake of balance (since the sabot can hardly hurt the inhabitants of a building) they probably 'made up' the HEAP round.

Last edited by tahadar (2006-09-02 03:22:31)

sergeriver wrote:

I think ....... fixing some things.

Obviously you haven't played on more than one map you douche bag. Play on the wooded map with no artillery, uav, vehicles an then say it's not an ideal infantry map you dick. (I think it's called Fallen????)

Eugefunk84 wrote:

I would also like to point out that in the game the anit-personnel tank rounds are labeled HEAP, when in reality, they are known as HEAT. I know you are thinking HEAP stands for High Explosive Anti Personnel. However, in reality it stands for High Explosive Anti Tank. Thats because in real life both Sabot and HEAT rounds are designed to deal with tanks, except designed to penetrate different types of armor. A game came out several years back called Operation Flashpoint that introduced HEAT and Sabot rounds for your tank and stated that HEAT should be used against infantry and I think thats how this misconception got started. If you read any military website, it explicitly states that both HEAT and Sabot are anti tank munitions. There is no such thing as a HEAP round, as it appears in game.

Sorry to correct you here, but there are actually HEAP (High Explosive Anti-Personnel) rounds in real life, and they are designed exclusively to take care of infantry and soft targets.  As the name implies, they fire a high explosive fragmentation round that explodes outward in a 365 degree radius, ripping up surrounding targets with shrapnel and the explosive shock wave (much like a hand grenade does).

HEAT (High Explosive Anti-Tank) rounds are shape-charged rounds designed to defeat simple steel armor plate like that placed on some contemporary--and most older--IFVs and APCs.  Upon striking the target, the round detonates as a cone of force projected forward that melts through/blasts away the armor, spewing shrapnel and molten metal into the interior of the target vehicle.  It's not particularly effective against more advanced forms of composite laminate armor plating like the Chobham armor used on the US M1 Abrams and the British Challenger 2 because the ceramic laminate in these armors is extremely good at resisting the heat and energy produced by the explosion.  As well, the reactive armor used on most  contemporary armored vehicles that aren't equipped with laminate armor (like the T-72, T-80, and Merkava tanks, and the turret of the M2/M3 Bradleys) is quite effective at defeating HEAT rounds.  This armor is essentially a series of boxes of shape-charged high explosives; when a HEAT round strikes one of these boxes, the box detonates simultaneously with the HEAT round, and its shape charge blasts outward from the tank AGAINST the incoming shape charge blast from the HEAT round.  The two blasts essentially cancel each other out, sparing the targeted vehicle from most of the damage it would have otherwise sustained.  Because of this, Sabot/Penetrator rounds are typically the ordinance of choice to use against most heavily armored vehicles; they're much more effective against advanced laminate armor than HEAT rounds, and extremely deadly against vehicles equipped only with reactive armor.  But Sabot rounds are expensive and not particularly effective against unarmored targets; as a result, they shouldn't be wasted on trucks or small troop transports (like Urals, HMMVs, or even older APCs) so HEAT rounds are typically still carried by most MBTs to deal with these sorts of lightly armored targets.  HEAT can be used against infantry, but aren't as effective against them as HEAP rounds because they don't broadcast their damage in a 365 degree radius, but instead principally in a forward facing cone.  However, since the ammo bay only holds a limited amount of main gun rounds, most tanks will only equip themselves with Sabot and HEAT rounds if they anticipate being in a battle against a large force of armor and vehicles, and will rely on their machine guns and--most importantly--the accompanying force of IFVs/AFVs and mechanized infantry to deal with the opposing ground troops and soft targets.  HEAT rounds will be used against such targets as needed, but usually only as a last resort.  Of course, if the tanks know that the principal force they'll be fighting is infantry, then they'll equip themselves with anti-infantry munitions like HEAP (and maybe canister rounds, though I don't know if these are actually permitted by the Geneva Convention).  According to a tanker friend of mine who has close contacts in the Israeli military, during the recent fighting in southern Lebanon most of the Israeli Merkava/Merkava II tanks were outfitted principally with HEAP rounds.

Just didn't want any more misinformation spread around.

Last edited by Books_DCDF (2006-09-02 09:49:26)

Since I can't play BF2, POE2 is the next best thing. I especially like the mobile arty.

Plisken wrote:

Marinejuana wrote:

i know how to shoot in bf2. Let me be more precise. I think that POE gives much harsher penalties to accuracy while moving. I like to shoot while moving and have figured out the distances at which i can do this effectively using most bf2 weapons. In POE its seems that one must be closer to the target in order to do this. To me this slows down the combat on a game that already has much slower combat than similar games.

POE2 is a more tactical game. It is more for ambushes and co-ordinated squad attacks than the normal rush with all guns blazing of vanilla BF2. I prefer POE2 because kneeling now is effective at increasing accuracy and the camoflauge that snipers have is actually affecting, that the assault weapons are actually accurate enough to out-shoot most weapons at medium range (maybe besides weapons like the silenced g36c and the AS Val)

9/10 read the above, the accuracy is good if used in burst or single shot but full auto at a range will miss, i forgot to mention that kneeling is effective at increasing accuracy unlike vanilla. If you come straight from vanilla and use vanilla tactics you will find yourself dead alot, it's just an entirely new ball game compared to bf2.
Its the bf2 engine that allows POE2 to exist not bf2 the game......

Last edited by Plisken (2006-09-21 02:34:09)