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2006-07-06 04:16:14
one_of_ten
Member
+7|6885|Brussels, Belgium

.:ronin:.|Patton wrote:

Starfleet1403 wrote:

.:ronin:.|Patton wrote:

i dont trust a British website to have good information on the United States. How about we'll run the country however we want, or we may start polls on how much we dont like the British, and other useless pieces of information like that.
Do you have more trust in Wikipedia? If yes, I corrected the Link.
i would trust Wikipedia MORE, because people of all countries, cultures, races, and creeds can access it and add information.

on that topic though, United States media, citing Fox News and CNN, are extremely politically biast, and they rarely see the true side of what a politican is trying to say. for that, BBC has my vote for best news network
Actually, CNN International is not so biased and still gives good information from different points of view.


Still, it's not very hard to do something better than Fox News.
2006-07-06 04:21:08
[DETX] arabeater
Member
+6|6840|OKC, Oklahoma USA Baby!

Shem wrote:

[DETX] arabeater wrote:

Guess what whoever -1 karma'd me? I DONT CARE! USA still rocks and your just jealous! Seriously this whole karma thing that was added onto here is retarded. Who really cares about +1 or -1 Karma? Are you gonna be destroyed if somebody -1 you? Or are you gonna feel like a god if you get +1? Jeez I hope not. If they gave out prizes for say a gift certificate to TigerDirect.com for every +100 karma you receive then maybe I would give a shit. Well back on topic I really hate poles and the idea of them being implamented. Have you ever known anybody that was ever poled? Who do they ask? Im guessing they ask people that they know will give them the results they want to hear.
By the reasoning and the two posts you have given on complaining about receiving minus karma, I would say, you care.

And yes, I did -karma you, and I left my name, if you cared to look you would of known.

Shem
I wasnt refering to you. At least you have some sort of sense here to actually leave your name. And no I dont care about how my karma looks. Just because i look and see if somebody left their name on the neg karma doesnt mean I give 2 cents about what some fag European called or said about me. Now if it was in person then I would give a shit.
2006-07-06 06:08:20
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6778|Southeastern USA
England is Blair's territory, not Bush's concern, the key letters in POTUS are U and S, this means that sometimes France or Mexico or whoever aren't going to get their way, if you wanna see a good list of lame-ass leaders, look up the ones that used appeasement politics. Polls = suck, they've been wrong over here for every election over here since '98, almost as if someone were trying to use the "peer pressure" technique to get us to vote a certain way, "come on, everyone else is doing it".
2006-07-06 06:45:18
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6771|Texas - Bigger than France

RicardoBlanco wrote:

.:ronin:.|Patton wrote:

RicardoBlanco wrote:


Well you do, and when people try and tell you why it happens you don't listen.
of fucking course we are going to cry about it. we lost damn near 3,000 people on September 11th. or did that not go through your head when you mentioned bombing?
No, you didn't 'lose' them, they were killed because your country pursues such an outrageous foreign policy. These People felt these acts are the only way to get through to you. Lesson learnt, or should have been...
"Well you do, and when people try and tell you why it happens you don't listen".

This is true.  But either you ignore the world or you are active, and there is a price.

"These People felt these acts are the only way to get through to you..."

Are you suggesting all nations should respect the sovereignity and ideology of terrorist groups?
2006-07-06 06:46:55
sgt.sonner
the electric eel has got me by the brain banana
+146|6762|Denmizzark!!

[DETX] arabeater wrote:

Pretty sure no american gives a flying fuck what any Briton or for that matter any fairy ass European thinks about our country. The only time Europeans seem to like us is when Germany gets a wild hair up their ass and decides to invade their country. One minute its like you hate us then the next when you realize your about to get wtf pwned you beg for our help. I dont get it. Either you like us or you dont. Make up your fucking minds. Hopefully the next time when someone decides to fuck up Europe we just sit back and watch your demise. Maybe then you will wish you had'nt badmouthed us so much. I highly doubt that will ever happen though due to us always feeling sorry for some shit you got yourselves into, costing the US thousands of our brave mens lives. Also in that article where it said we were failing to win the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people, thats total Bullshit. I have been there 3 times and I can tell you for a fact that they most certainly want us there. The only ones that dont are a very small minority of radical, crazy assholes that got nothing better to do than start some shit. We are building schools. houses, a stable government and bringing in income from the oil. I dunno who is spreading all that bullshit propaganda in Europe about how we are failing in Iraq but they most certainly are getting all of their news from Al-Jazeera. Which last time I checked was kinda biased. Sorry for my Europe bashing at the beginng but thats how alot of Americans feel about Europe. So maybe before you start bashing us take a look at how you have treated us. I personally love Europe and want to go back someday. I just think instead of listening to the news to get your status on how Iraq is going how about talking to a few vets that have served there. I'm sure some vets have had some bad experiances and all like the rest of us but I was with a few Brit Royal Marines last year and they seemed to love being there and helping with the rebuilding process. Maybe someday the US and Europe can be pals again.
Chill dude!! Btw it was just as much Russia and GB that won the war as it was The US

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2006-07-06 10:55:25
RicardoBlanco
The English
+177|6797|Oxford

Pug wrote:

RicardoBlanco wrote:

.:ronin:.|Patton wrote:


of fucking course we are going to cry about it. we lost damn near 3,000 people on September 11th. or did that not go through your head when you mentioned bombing?
No, you didn't 'lose' them, they were killed because your country pursues such an outrageous foreign policy. These People felt these acts are the only way to get through to you. Lesson learnt, or should have been...
"Well you do, and when people try and tell you why it happens you don't listen".

This is true.  But either you ignore the world or you are active, and there is a price.

"These People felt these acts are the only way to get through to you..."

Are you suggesting all nations should respect the sovereignity and ideology of terrorist groups?
Unfortunately you choose to ignore the world AND remain active. Instead of trying to 'promote' your values just let countries adopt them. You guys have a lot to offer and your country, for the most part, is beautiful; I just can't help feeling you've really fucked it up for yourselves.

..in response to your second question, no.
2006-07-06 11:50:01
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6771|Texas - Bigger than France
By "ignore" I meant no help, no action, no nothing from the US.  Like the Swiss. 

Earlier I told you what I believe - that other countries want action and are consulted.  I believe US foreign policy is shaped with the input of other nations - which includes the UK, the US' greatest ally.  Therefore, it is impossible to have an active foreign policy and ignore the world, as you believe.   

I know for instance, that Bush did not send UK troops to Iraq - yet it's the US' fault, right?  I find it hypocritical to blame the US for Iraq when the UK committed troops as well.

The US is not fucked up.  I am not reading reports that people are emigrating to other countries in droves - it's the other way around.  Of course you can spin the daily problems with what has been reported in the papers, and we'll be fine either way.

And, on question #2 - if you answer no - "These people felt these acts are the only way to get through to you."  Basically this statement says the US diplomatic core should have been listening to them.  A contradiction...

Well, hey - I'm not the biased one here - you cleared up that issue your first post.  I wanted to participate in the same daily debate you have about US ruining everything and should be blamed for the world's problems.  It's getting old.

Either you are playing devil's advocate on a continual basis or you are expounding what you believe.  I think based on your persistence it's probably a bit of both. 

Baiting is getting old - I can think of a few posts you made which I cannot understand how you can possibly believe is true.  I also can imagine your frustration with the "well, we don't care what you think" answer you get most of the time.  This is the internet - its geared for calling people Nazis and Liberals.

I still am interested in knowing if there is a poll on Britsh public's support of UK foreign policy.

Thanks in advance.


Pug




Ps. You're a Nazi Treehugging Liberal
2006-07-06 12:58:45
Horseman 77
Banned
+160|7066

Marconius wrote:

Well, true...though currently the majority of Americans do not agree with our government's actions, even though a lot of people on this particular site believe otherwise.
What ? can we return to this after the next election, Are you predicting a landslide then ?
2006-07-06 13:03:59
l41e
Member
+677|6877

RicardoBlanco wrote:

.:ronin:.|Patton wrote:

RicardoBlanco wrote:


Well you do, and when people try and tell you why it happens you don't listen.
of fucking course we are going to cry about it. we lost damn near 3,000 people on September 11th. or did that not go through your head when you mentioned bombing?
No, you didn't 'lose' them, they were killed because your country pursues such an outrageous foreign policy. These People felt these acts are the only way to get through to you. Lesson learnt, or should have been...
So you're ok with me crashing an airliner into you because I don't like the choices your government makes?
2006-07-06 13:04:48
Horseman 77
Banned
+160|7066

Starfleet1403 wrote:

Pug wrote:

I believe the following:

-The US is not conquering the world
But you should. In the 4th verse of your National Anthem, it says

then conquer we must, for our cause it is just.

Click here, if you don't believe

Hey, no hard feelings! I'm just kidding!
Scary lyrics  ? lol. The Song was written in 1812

So what are the lyrics to the Australian National Anthem, Great Brittan's or  yours ?

dont worry, We have a hell of a ways to go to catch up to you guys

just kidding !
2006-07-06 13:10:32
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6778|Southeastern USA
it says "when our cause it is just"
2006-07-06 16:16:04
comet241
Member
+164|6994|Normal, IL
it seems that every single post you make in this section has absolutely no point other than to show your total and utter disdain for my country..... do you think we really care what the rest of the world thinks about us? we're not out to win a popularity contest, this isn't 8th grade class president we are running for.... WE DON'T CARE!!!!! even though you disagree, we are doing what we feel is right and are NOT participating in empire building..... Post 1900 can you name one country we occupied or conquered that is in our empire? I can name a bunch that aren't: japan, korea, germany, italy, austria, and many more...... We're doing what is right, not what is popular.

also, as another person said, i would love to see how britons thought of other countries foreign policies..... oh, wait!!!! nobody else seems to have a foreign policy other than let the UN take care of it.... too bad it doesn't work and is a drain of money and time. Somebody has to police the world to keep a repeat of WWI and part II. I'd love for it to be a joint effort so 2200 americans aren't killed in iraq, including a good friend of mine in the National guard, because the UN couldn't work together to resolve it peacefully and politically....

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2006-07-06 16:50:19
PekkaA
Member
+36|6893|Finland

Horseman 77 wrote:

Marconius wrote:

Well, true...though currently the majority of Americans do not agree with our government's actions, even though a lot of people on this particular site believe otherwise.
What ? can we return to this after the next election, Are you predicting a landslide then ?
Don't worry Horseman. By then Jenna has propably burned her brain with booze like daddy and is ready to be first american female president.

https://photos1.blogger.com/img/53/1546/1024/NYHETER-23s14-bush-13.jpg

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2006-07-07 08:25:19
whittsend
PV1 Joe Snuffy
+78|6987|MA, USA

oug wrote:

Nice whittsend, at least you bothered to answer back instead of just giving me -1 like some other nameless chicken.
I hate people who do that as much as you do.  I never neg. for differences of opinion.  When I disagree, I pipe up in front of everyone.

oug wrote:

And of course it was your economy that made you the dominant power, an aconomy that favoured greatly from the demise of Europe's economy.
We had a depression here too.  I think the US was destined, by geopolitics and demographics, to have a large economy.

oug wrote:

I have no idea who it is you mean when you say we're doing it with you... i'm not british you know
Ok.  Where are you from?

oug wrote:

As far as polls are concerned, we both know anyone can manufacture one that suits him nowdays.
Are you saying that you don't think it is likely that most Americans dislike Bush right now?  I respectfully disagree.

oug wrote:

I must however stand by what I said about Germany and the USA doing the same thing then and now. I think there's only one thing a superpower can do if they do not want to lose their status and position. So I'm not blaming anyone really, after all I think any country in your position would have the exact same policy. All I'm saying is you cannot expect the people you enslave to love you.
Germany was a brutal dictatorship, which survived through intimidation, and exectuted a policy of conquest and genocide.  The US is a flawed, but sincere, democratic republic, which is often criticized for taking a hand in world affairs, and for not taking a hand in world affairs.  The view of the rest of the world isn't, "We want the US to stay at home." Nor is it, "We want the US to be Active abroad."  It is inconsistent at best, and the closest I can come to describing it is, "We want the US to do what we want the US to do."  When the rest of the world starts paying taxes here, maybe we'll listen.  Until then, we will muddle through the best we can, but will mind our own interests and counsel.

As far as 'enslaving' anyone, the rhetoric is not justified by the facts.

Cactusfist wrote:

WW2 gave America the chance to drag itself out of poverty with munitions etc, which it did. America's economy inproved significantly from the start of WW2 to the end.
It was a recovery that was largely guaranteed by our situation (as noted above).  The fact that the war gave industry something immediate to concern itself with, did, however, speed that recovery.  Nevertheless, US economic power, in comparison with the rest of the world, was a fact, even when everyone was hurting.

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2006-07-07 09:00:37
RicardoBlanco
The English
+177|6797|Oxford

k30dxedle wrote:

RicardoBlanco wrote:

.:ronin:.|Patton wrote:


of fucking course we are going to cry about it. we lost damn near 3,000 people on September 11th. or did that not go through your head when you mentioned bombing?
No, you didn't 'lose' them, they were killed because your country pursues such an outrageous foreign policy. These People felt these acts are the only way to get through to you. Lesson learnt, or should have been...
So you're ok with me crashing an airliner into you because I don't like the choices your government makes?
I didn't say it was Ok, just explaining why it happened.
2006-07-07 09:10:54
RicardoBlanco
The English
+177|6797|Oxford

comet241 wrote:

do you think we really care what the rest of the world thinks about us? we're not out to win a popularity contest, this isn't 8th grade class president we are running for.... WE DON'T CARE!!!!!


nobody else seems to have a foreign policy other than let the UN take care of it.... too bad it doesn't work and is a drain of money and time. Somebody has to police the world to keep a repeat of WWI and part II.
See most countries do care what the rest of the world thinks of them. The fact that yours goes around doing whatever it likes to satisfy it's economic interests and doesn't give a flying fuck what other people think is why you get bombed...it's a really simple concept. Incidentally, what are you running for?

Everyone else has a foreign policy too, only difference being ours doesn't include invading countries and plundering resources. You'll find we get on rather well with other countries, even the ones we hate like the French. If you want something you ask for it, not act like the bully and take whatever you feel like.
2006-07-07 09:28:39
Horseman 77
Banned
+160|7066

PekkaA wrote:

Horseman 77 wrote:

Marconius wrote:

Well, true...though currently the majority of Americans do not agree with our government's actions, even though a lot of people on this particular site believe otherwise.
What ? can we return to this after the next election, Are you predicting a landslide then ?
Don't worry Horseman. By then Jenna has propably burned her brain with booze like daddy and is ready to be first american female president.

http://photos1.blogger.com/img/53/1546/ … ush-13.jpg
nice come back. She'd get my vote before you did.
2006-07-07 09:37:52
whittsend
PV1 Joe Snuffy
+78|6987|MA, USA

RicardoBlanco wrote:

The fact that yours goes around doing whatever it likes to satisfy it's economic interests and doesn't give a flying fuck what other people think is why you get bombed...it's a really simple concept.
Really?  Why was there a terrorist plot discovered in Canada then?  They didn't join us in Iraq, they are pretty multilateral, and they are certainly 'good actors' on the world stage by the measures you were advancing.  Why would anyone want to bomb them?

No, it seems that the ones who do the bombing don't really care how community minded a country is.
2006-07-07 09:38:14
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|7001|PNW

oug wrote:

Its funny how the americans think they made europe a favour in WWII. Know that it was your involvement in this war that made you the dominant power in the world today, and that if you had stayed out of it Hitler would've kicked your asses as well. So enough with all that bitching about how you saved us and how good people you are and how grateful we should be. Its time to realise that you are today what germany was back in '39. So do your thing, and the rest of us will do our thing. At least the germans weren't looking for sympathy while trying to conquer the world.
Not a favor? I suppose you're convinced that the US is this horrid, oppressive entity compared to what the Soviets could have been if left unchecked...

Funny that one of Hitler's own spies considered the US a nigh impregnable powerhouse of potential industrial output...of course, Hitler didn't believe him. And as for bitching, you're a prime example that it's not all from 'our side of the pond.'

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2006-07-07 09:53:27
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6778|Southeastern USA

Horseman 77 wrote:

PekkaA wrote:

Horseman 77 wrote:


What ? can we return to this after the next election, Are you predicting a landslide then ?
Don't worry Horseman. By then Jenna has propably burned her brain with booze like daddy and is ready to be first american female president.

http://photos1.blogger.com/img/53/1546/ … ush-13.jpg
nice come back. She'd get my vote before you did.
I would, sideways.
2006-07-07 09:54:41
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6778|Southeastern USA

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

oug wrote:

Its funny how the americans think they made europe a favour in WWII. Know that it was your involvement in this war that made you the dominant power in the world today, and that if you had stayed out of it Hitler would've kicked your asses as well. So enough with all that bitching about how you saved us and how good people you are and how grateful we should be.
Its time to realise that you are today what germany was back in '39. So do your thing, and the rest of us will do our thing. At least the germans weren't looking for sympathy while trying to conquer the world.
Funny that one of Hitler's own spies considered the US a nigh impregnable powerhouse of potential industrial output...of course, Hitler didn't believe him.
and we hadn't even mobilized the war machine yet
2006-07-07 10:04:11
DesertEagle357
Attends Shock Paddlers Anonymous
+1|7022
"We kicked your ass in the Revolution, and we saved that ass in World War II"
2006-07-07 10:09:57
Sondernkommando
Member
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Really?  Why was there a terrorist plot discovered in Canada then?  They didn't join us in Iraq, they are pretty multilateral, and they are certainly 'good actors' on the world stage by the measures you were advancing.  Why would anyone want to bomb them?

Europe is cowering in fear as they are gradually overrun by Muslims (Eurabian Union - watch for it) yet, whenever attacked openly, THEY apologize for whatever they can think of.

The U.S. is reviled for its power and its sense of purpose.  The idea that they "brought this on themselves" is easily rebutted by citing bombings in Turkey.  The fact that the VAST majority of Muslim murderers kill their own people (what - 50 a day in Iraq at least?) shows that they are no more than a group of messianical sociopaths who come together to wreak havoc, inspired by the historical failures of their religion and their countries.

I yearn for alternative fuel sources just so we can totally ignore the Middle East's corrupt potentates (Saudi Arabia) and insane asylums (Iran), preferably by putting up a wall around them.
2006-07-07 10:31:54
comet241
Member
+164|6994|Normal, IL

RicardoBlanco wrote:

comet241 wrote:

do you think we really care what the rest of the world thinks about us? we're not out to win a popularity contest, this isn't 8th grade class president we are running for.... WE DON'T CARE!!!!!


nobody else seems to have a foreign policy other than let the UN take care of it.... too bad it doesn't work and is a drain of money and time. Somebody has to police the world to keep a repeat of WWI and part II.
See most countries do care what the rest of the world thinks of them. The fact that yours goes around doing whatever it likes to satisfy it's economic interests and doesn't give a flying fuck what other people think is why you get bombed...it's a really simple concept. Incidentally, what are you running for?

Everyone else has a foreign policy too, only difference being ours doesn't include invading countries and plundering resources. You'll find we get on rather well with other countries, even the ones we hate like the French. If you want something you ask for it, not act like the bully and take whatever you feel like.
hmmm..... i hate to bring this up coincidentally on the 1 year anniversary.... but if we like to satisfy our economic interests and dont give a flying fuck being the reasoned we got bombed..... why did you guys get bombed too????? Maybe, just maybe....... THE TERRORISTS DONT GIVE A FLYING FUCK EITHER!!!!!!!! they dont care about economics, they hate europe and america..... plain and simple. the reason why is long and complicated but it's basically to further their own interests..... how did hitler unite the people???? by getting them all to hate one group of people, that's how you do it. the terrorists leaders only want power themselves, and they unite their people by getting them to hate everyone else.....

so again, why did you guys get bombed if your country is so caring and popular.....????

and in regards to the last paragraph.... what the hell are we taking???? since we've invaded iraq gas prices have doubled here???? so many people claim that's the reason we went there, but it's bullshit. they, and you, just cant handle the fact that the country you hate sooooo much is actually doing something good by sacrificing money, popularity (which you seem to care so much about), and the lives of thousands of our men and women to remove an evil dictator and an unstable source of bad news from the middle east.

make a point instead of just spouting off anger, because i haven't seen a single point out of you yet. again, id loooove to hear your theory on why you guys got bombed too if you are so god damned popular........
2006-07-07 10:43:23
heman6666
Member
+2|6752|Vettefan du
ehh i dont think the usa won ww2 by itself, russia won the damn war and would have conquered all of europe and blowed the americans away i 1 sec if they wanted to do it.

 

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