BF2S Forums Apache Helicopter madness

Kontrolfreq wrote:

Who ever it was who -1 me (like i care) with the message:

"yeh it was cool im glad they died so i could get 1 minutes entertainment"

Now i know you aren't serious but that's not even funny...

Your not alone. I got dinged for not agreeing with what they did as well. But I don't hate for it. It was there opinion.

well i got a few +'s and a couple of -'s, best of all lots of reaction from people,  52 replys and 1000+ views

Whoever thinks that is cool needs to get fucking slapped... I mean really, what threat do they pose? What if you were out there and got shot for no fucking reason you sick son of a bitches

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I got this -
How is the war for oil fuckwit - oil prices have gone up in the us since the war. think about what you are saying you ignorant liberal fool

Go back to McDonalds and get fat and die at the age of 40 u dumb fuck. Dont ppl ever read anything ?? Bush could say: Iraq has nuclear weapons in theyre country so we need to attack them! and the whole Us would buy it. WAIT that is what he made up to attack Iraq silly me! [all u ex-marines know it all flame me all u want cause u served for 1 week to a year I dont care]

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JahManRed wrote:

Why did they have to execute the wounded guy who was obviously incapacitated, he posed no threat. I downloaded a high rez version of that video and read the inquest findings, and you can see these guys are ploughing a field in a tractor and the other truck is a grain truck and the pickup is full of tools to repair the broken down tractor. (According to US military.) The excuse for killing these men? One of them had an AK47. They were miles from any American ground troops. The AK was for personal protection, probably from insurgents. These people were out trying make a living for their families, who now have no providers, fathers, husbands......... That wasn't BF2 FFS. Not cool.

seen it happen infront of my so has my dad in the first desert storm...that was there mission they did it now lay off them, goddamn you people who don't support our millitary and by saying stuff liek that i see it as disrespect and disloyalty

Dutchman-195 wrote:

JahManRed wrote:

Why did they have to execute the wounded guy who was obviously incapacitated, he posed no threat. I downloaded a high rez version of that video and read the inquest findings, and you can see these guys are ploughing a field in a tractor and the other truck is a grain truck and the pickup is full of tools to repair the broken down tractor. (According to US military.) The excuse for killing these men? One of them had an AK47. They were miles from any American ground troops. The AK was for personal protection, probably from insurgents. These people were out trying make a living for their families, who now have no providers, fathers, husbands......... That wasn't BF2 FFS. Not cool.

seen it happen infront of my so has my dad in the first desert storm...that was there mission they did it now lay off them, goddamn you people who don't support our millitary and by saying stuff liek that i see it as disrespect and disloyalty

Exactly.  I respect any opinion you guys may have, whether you think the chopper pilots were in the right or not, whether the war is just or not, I personally don't support the reasons for the war or the Bush camp but by god I support every soldier who is over there and every one who has ever fought and died for our country. 

Those pilots were following orders, and there had to have been a good reason to take those guys out.  You people who just assume you know it all and instantly think they were poor helpless civilians might want to go to your local recruiter so you could gain some first hand knowledge about what's happening in that hellhole.  Go ahead and give me - karma, at least show some sack and leave your name and a good reason for it (not "whatever" or "go read the davinchi (sp) code", it just makes you look like pussies).

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

Capt. Foley wrote:

andy12 wrote:

Well i thought it was cool anyway.

But with the advances in todays warfare why don't the rounds go exactly were the crosshair is pointing?

Probably because when your firing a 30mm cannon from a hovering helicopter at 500rpm+ you cant keep the helo exatly still....

word.

a helicopter by its nature, is an unstable platform.

Maybe a helicopter, but not an apache. I've personally seen them hover for 10+ minutes, just a hundred meters away, and see zero noticible movement. Even in moderate winds I've seen the apaches hover without any movement.

Dutchman-195 wrote:

Kylau wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

word.

a helicopter by its nature, is an unstable platform.

Maybe a helicopter, but not an apache. I've personally seen them hover for 10+ minutes, just a hundred meters away, and see zero noticible movement. Even in moderate winds I've seen the apaches hover without any movement.

i have too seen the "perfect hover" when your in a wartime situation your mind is going or 10 thousand things a minute, both pilots were looking at the same screening looking for so many types of moement, guns, wtach in the MC panel, threat warnings etc....even the most perfect pilot could probably not hold a hoer that good. remember that the camera was moing independently away from the helo with a 3d axis there whoever was shooting could have very well be twitching, that gun on the bottom has so much tourque that it could move the helo in a hover sam with the mislle launch.

true as well but, physics in mind, a helicopter by definition is an unstable platform.  but i dont know who brought it up, 30mm vulcan is an area target so the rounds are gonna drop in a scattered shot group, especially since most likely they are HE rounds

Wow, so many issues here and if I dare to air my views I bet I'll get my first negs since any dumb-ass could give'em; but what the hell...

The movie, interesting. I've also not seen that kinda thing before and while the death of men is not 'cool' or 'excellent' the impressive use of state of the art technology in the arena it was designed for is at the very least impressive.

The war. A few people have commented that they wouldn't want to express an opinion without all the facts, well, first off you will never express an opinion if that's true but that aside, what about the war? None of us civvies will have all the facts but we sure as hell have an opinion on it. Sure Iraq has oil and that makes it a major player in the world, more notice will be taken of Iraq than a podunk country in the middle of nowhere with no resources the world gives a toss about. But. The reasons for the war go back quite a way, the easiest point to start from (though not a start really) was the invasion of Kuwait. Saddam thought he could just increase his empire and nobody would have the balls to do anything about it. Wrong. Not many people had a problem with that war, and rightly so.
Saddam had demonstrated he had reasonable advanced missile technology (maybe not by US military standards but just try knocking up a scud in your back yard!), had also demonstrated he possessed and was willing to use chemical weapons. It is clear that he desired nuke technology (what with Iran on his doorstep) but it was always clear he couldn't build one himself, however his oil meant he had the resources to buy it should it come available to him. Anyway, after DS1 the UN slap Saddam with a load of rules to make sure the little bugger doesn't try anything like that again. One such ruling was that he had to disarm and prove he had done so.
OK, now he has a problem. If he doesn't prove he's disarmed the UN might make good on their promise and invade (though with the French around that not all that likely). If he does prove he's disarmed then Iran might get ideas. What to do? He decides to play a dangerous game. It turns out he pretty much does disarm but pisses about with the inspectors so much it can't be proved. Sure, this leaves the UN suspicious but that's not likely to be enough to provoke them. His powerful neighbours don't know if he's weak or not and so he can posture all he likes.
Except: The US and UK have had enough, reports suggest the guy is a real threat and even if they are not true he's broken so many promises you have to count any thread as credible. Turns out on closer inspection (which we had to kick the doors in to get) the nasty kit he does have is not being used for nasty purposes (IIRC someone said that Iraqis see things differently to us, they may have a chemical weapons production trailer but they may well be selling ice-cream out of the thing).
Was the war just? I believe so.  Was it nice and palatable for us at home? Shit no! War is crappy as hell and always will be. Thank god for men and women who can fight it so the rest of don't have to.

Did those guys deserve to get wasted? Impossible to answer but they were acting suspiciously in a war zone (ditching a weapon in a field). I have no idea if that helo was on routine rounds or had gone there on intel but either way those guys had it coming. On calm reflection after the event it may be found that all was benign but there's no such luxury in war and tough decisions have to be made with what info is available.

Should the guy who was wounded have been shot again? Hell yes. My knowledge of the Geneva convention is a little shaky but I seem to remember something about not having weapons designed to maim. That guys didn't stand a chance (unless the helo crew went to his aid) and was facing a really crappy and painful death, I think that in that combat situation, where the helo crew had the 'luxury' of being able to finish him off without further endangering themselves that was completely the humane thing to do. Who could honestly say that they could do the same as unflinchingly as that crew.

Does this post reflect my personal politics?  not entirely, I think the UN should have more balls and not needed the US and UK to do the deed. I think Bush is a joke and am amazed he's actually been voted in twice (well, kinda). I think war is amazingly shitty but unfortunately very necessary. I think military hardware is very cool. I think most Iraqis couldn't give a shit who runs the country as long as someone does and brings some level of peace so they don't have a daily fear of death (their own or loved ones). This is the reality, just try and imagine your daily commute with a very real fear that at any second a bomb could go off. We live in a world like that but as it is rare where we live we can get on with things. Iraqis have bombing every day. The fear must be terrible.

Neg me, plus me, whatever, cos in the face of that, it matters not a jot.
Sorry for the long post.

HOLLYWOOD=_=FTW=_= wrote:

Killin is never cool but do not criticize those chopper pilots they did exactly what they were told if you don't like what happened become a politician and do something and i find it hard to believe that these people were non combatants yes it was a tractor yes it was a grain truck but the us govt as flawed as it is doesn't benefit from killing of non coms. The reason for killing the guy that was wounded, think about it you just got laced up by a 3 barrel mini gun do you honestly wanna sit there for 3 maybe 4 hours in really bad pain waiting to kick the bucket or would you rather take a couple more well placed rounds and end it. I for one would prefer the latter as i have dealt with pain like that and I woulda preferred a bullet then also. But we do not have all the facts so any comments made on this thread are purely speculative.

Dutchman-195 wrote:

Riddicker wrote:

Damn! This is not funny! I play the game, but i would not kill people in reallity! What did those people do? Walk? Talk? This vid is shit!

what are you retarded. they were doing their misson i already said this in a different post on this topic go read that then tell me what you think

Yeah he must be.  Just some punk kids who think they know what's going on.  Wait till they get out in the real world and grow some hair on their sack, then they might see things a little clearer...

Viper007Bond wrote:

This video is over a year old I think. Why is it just being posted now?

'The Art of War' is over two and a half thousand years ago, but I bet if I posted a section of it there would be people who hadn't read it and more that had an opinion on it.