With the coming of Blu ray supposedly next season will DVDS be replaced like CDs? Blu Rays can hold like 200 DVDs so i'm told and well there doesn't seem to be a point to DVDs unless its cheaper
200 dvd's looks cooler in your lounge room than 1 blu ray.
I use to think the same about VHSs
Imagine all the porn that could fit on one disk. I'm in.
Lmao
meanwhile my VCR is fucking up all my vhs when i rewind
So what comes next after Blu ray is obsolete?
stingrayKtotheIMMY wrote:
So what comes next after Blu ray is obsolete?
That other memory card thing.
It's like a small cube of glass or something, with layers upon layers of BluRay data style stored info.
And it costs like 1 buck.
Can't remember what the drawback is yet.
It's like a small cube of glass or something, with layers upon layers of BluRay data style stored info.
And it costs like 1 buck.
Can't remember what the drawback is yet.
dvd's resist jizz a little better than vhs
Whatte.... 200 DVD's? I guess you mean 200 CD's!xX[Elangbam]Xx wrote:
With the coming of Blu ray supposedly next season will DVDS be replaced like CDs? Blu Rays can hold like 200 DVDs so i'm told and well there doesn't seem to be a point to DVDs unless its cheaper
And there is a small war going on between HD-DVD and Blue Ray. Something with that big company's like Microsoft choose HD-DVD and the movie-sell-company's choose Blue Ray and of course Sony.
blu ray discs hold 27 gig it think, so only about 33 times a cd.
Dunno, but it's probably something quantum.KtotheIMMY wrote:
So what comes next after Blu ray is obsolete?
at the moment there are 1 and 2 layer blu ray holding 25gigs per layer. The PS3 will use dual layered disks spinning at 2x. It is possible to create 8 layered disks at 25gig per layer equalling 200gigs per a 12cm disk.THA wrote:
blu ray discs hold 27 gig it think, so only about 33 times a cd.
HD-DVD hold 15gig per layer
200Gb! That's just more to lose when I drop (and scratch) my disk...
It is a similar thing concerning CF cards for my camera. I could buy 4x 1Gb cards or 1x 4Gb cards. The smarter choice is to buy the 4 1Gb cards... If anything happens to one, I still have most of my photos.
But whatever...
Mcminty.
It is a similar thing concerning CF cards for my camera. I could buy 4x 1Gb cards or 1x 4Gb cards. The smarter choice is to buy the 4 1Gb cards... If anything happens to one, I still have most of my photos.
But whatever...
Mcminty.
Let me explain to all of you the situation.
In the current war over new storage format, there are HD-DVD adn Blu-Ray. They both have big sponsers and they both have different positives and negatives.
Blu-Ray Positives
It can hold data (Gb) more than HD-DVD.
It has big backers such as Sony and Universal Studios.
Blu-Ray Negatives
It is far more costly than anything before.
It can't read DVDs (so Blu-Ray players have to come with normal red lasers to read DVDs. More cost)
It is in the PS3 (looking like it's going to be a big mistake for Sony and losing out to the HD-DVD Xbox360 and the Wii)
HD-DVD
HD-DVD Posisitves
So much cheaper.
Can hold a lot more data than a DVD and is still enough for what the current producers want to store data on disks for, until the next format comes out.
HD-DVD players can read normal DVD disks so saving money there.
The players will be cheaper.
Microsoft back it more.
HD-DVD Negatives
It is slated by Sony and other media producers.
It can't hold as much data as Blu-Ray.
Final Thoughts
For me, the HD-DVD is going to be the winner (I'd like to say easily). Think back to Betamax vs VHS. Betamax was the far superior product in quality but lost out to the cheaper VHS. Consumers haven't changed much and for me the HD-DVD will gain heavily with this (the advantage of being so much cheaper). Also, HD-DVD stores enough data for whatever purposes proposed by any major media producing company, and so Blu-Ray's extra capoacity is wasted space - and wasted money for the consumer. Consumers would be paying a lot of money for something they wont use (with Blu-Ray). Also Blu-Rays 'theoretical' 200Gb capacity on one disk has only been completed, to my knowledge, about three times costing about £2million each time. Is this really feasible? Judging on this, I can't believe how people would rather have Blu-Ray over HD-DVD unless you are a devoted Sony fan (if you are, no offence intended, but you are blocking off a large portion of the market which is often so much better).
In the current war over new storage format, there are HD-DVD adn Blu-Ray. They both have big sponsers and they both have different positives and negatives.
Blu-Ray Positives
It can hold data (Gb) more than HD-DVD.
It has big backers such as Sony and Universal Studios.
Blu-Ray Negatives
It is far more costly than anything before.
It can't read DVDs (so Blu-Ray players have to come with normal red lasers to read DVDs. More cost)
It is in the PS3 (looking like it's going to be a big mistake for Sony and losing out to the HD-DVD Xbox360 and the Wii)
HD-DVD
HD-DVD Posisitves
So much cheaper.
Can hold a lot more data than a DVD and is still enough for what the current producers want to store data on disks for, until the next format comes out.
HD-DVD players can read normal DVD disks so saving money there.
The players will be cheaper.
Microsoft back it more.
HD-DVD Negatives
It is slated by Sony and other media producers.
It can't hold as much data as Blu-Ray.
Final Thoughts
For me, the HD-DVD is going to be the winner (I'd like to say easily). Think back to Betamax vs VHS. Betamax was the far superior product in quality but lost out to the cheaper VHS. Consumers haven't changed much and for me the HD-DVD will gain heavily with this (the advantage of being so much cheaper). Also, HD-DVD stores enough data for whatever purposes proposed by any major media producing company, and so Blu-Ray's extra capoacity is wasted space - and wasted money for the consumer. Consumers would be paying a lot of money for something they wont use (with Blu-Ray). Also Blu-Rays 'theoretical' 200Gb capacity on one disk has only been completed, to my knowledge, about three times costing about £2million each time. Is this really feasible? Judging on this, I can't believe how people would rather have Blu-Ray over HD-DVD unless you are a devoted Sony fan (if you are, no offence intended, but you are blocking off a large portion of the market which is often so much better).
Blu-Ray is the next format and during the turn of DVD and CDs combo writers were rare in the beginning but became a given later on and just about every multimedia computer has it.TheDarkRaven wrote:
HD-DVD Posisitves
So much cheaper.
Can hold a lot more data than a DVD and is still enough for what the current producers want to store data on disks for, until the next format comes out.
HD-DVD players can read normal DVD disks so saving money there.
The players will be cheaper.
Microsoft back it more.
HD-DVD Negatives
It is slated by Sony and other media producers.
It can't hold as much data as Blu-Ray.
-Sony pioneered a lot for DVDs. The PS2 was the only console at the time to offer a DVD player and was costly and we can all see what happened to the contenders
-Although Bill Gates isn't the biggest head on the 360s side, his reduced power may create something but thats just my opinion
Just a theory/question:
If the PS3 is supposedly backwards compatible then that means they have a DVD reader as well meaning it will be the multimedia powerhouse of the future (i won't go into the 20 page IGN essays but heres a taste: you can hook up a keyboard and mouse and supposedly in the future its supposed to have 120 gig; basically making it a computer) But if the rumors are true, they'll be shipping a "free" mini PS2 with each purchase though I think was debunked.
Either way we'll find out during the next holiday season. I'm expecting what happned to the original Xbox to happen to the PS3. PS2 chewed out the Xbox's ass w/ its library of games but once it reached it peak it went through a steady downward climb. With the Xboxs better technology it made better games and went up a little.
Now that Microsoft knows what its doing it may do better but.....
They seem a little desperate:
-telling public Wii esque controllers aren't mainstream (they're the only next gen not to have them)
-telling public to buy Wii over PS3 b/c its cheaper and better (.....you made fun of their controller, always contradicting themselves)
-telling public the bad 360s weren't their fault
-telling public that there isn't a need for Ctrl+Alt+Del (ok i made that one up)
-telling the public (ppl like me) that our hands aren't mainstream and that smaller contrller are better (i'd rather have a bootlegged Madcatz to hold b/c the 360s are way too small for my hans and i'm only in early high school and thats not an opinionated answer)
Well continue on
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Last edited by xX[Elangbam]Xx (2006-06-24 07:59:30)
hmm good points, but probly blu-ray should be gaming exclusively and hd-dvd should be more toward videos
Everything is obsolete at one moment or antoher.
This is just a biased view. I liked Blu-Ray to start with but it just isn't the best now. "Blu-Ray is the next format" - did you even read anything I wrote?xX[Elangbam]Xx wrote:
Blu-Ray is the next format and during the turn of DVD and CDs combo writers were rare in the beginning but became a given later on and just about every multimedia computer has it.TheDarkRaven wrote:
HD-DVD Posisitves
So much cheaper.
Can hold a lot more data than a DVD and is still enough for what the current producers want to store data on disks for, until the next format comes out.
HD-DVD players can read normal DVD disks so saving money there.
The players will be cheaper.
Microsoft back it more.
HD-DVD Negatives
It is slated by Sony and other media producers.
It can't hold as much data as Blu-Ray.
-Sony pioneered a lot for DVDs. The PS2 was the only console at the time to offer a DVD player and was costly and we can all see what happened to the contenders
-Although Bill Gates isn't the biggest head on the 360s side, his reduced power may create something but thats just my opinion
Just a theory/question:
If the PS3 is supposedly backwards compatible then that means they have a DVD reader as well meaning it will be the multimedia powerhouse of the future (i won't go into the 20 page IGN essays but heres a taste: you can hook up a keyboard and mouse and supposedly in the future its supposed to have 120 gig; basically making it a computer) But if the rumors are true, they'll be shipping a "free" mini PS2 with each purchase though I think was debunked.
Either way we'll find out during the next holiday season. I'm expecting what happned to the original Xbox to happen to the PS3. PS2 chewed out the Xbox's ass w/ its library of games but once it reached it peak it went through a steady downward climb. With the Xboxs better technology it made better games and went up a little.
Now that Microsoft knows what its doing it may do better but.....
They seem a little desperate:
-telling public Wii esque controllers aren't mainstream (they're the only next gen not to have them)
-telling public to buy Wii over PS3 b/c its cheaper and better (.....you made fun of their controller, always contradicting themselves)
-telling public the bad 360s weren't their fault
-telling public that there isn't a need for Ctrl+Alt+Del (ok i made that one up)
-telling the public (ppl like me) that our hands aren't mainstream and that smaller contrller are better (i'd rather have a bootlegged Madcatz to hold b/c the 360s are way too small for my hans and i'm only in early high school and thats not an opinionated answer)
Well continue on
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The PS3's controller is a desperate attempt by a desperate company knowing that their console (and their projects - Blu-Ray being one) are failing.
The Wii is simply the best console out there (PS3 fails in every department...paying huge prices for a big box which rolls around and isn't as good as the competitiors on software or hardware).
Get the original Xbox controller. Maybe that would suit your hands.
The guy you're quoting needs to get a more unbiased opinion, though I might add this isn't System Wars on the Gamespot forums, you don't wanna go there either, favor HD-DVD or Blu-ray, and you're straight called a "fanboy".TheDarkRaven wrote:
This is just a biased view. I liked Blu-Ray to start with but it just isn't the best now. "Blu-Ray is the next format" - did you even read anything I wrote?xX[Elangbam]Xx wrote:
Blu-Ray is the next format and during the turn of DVD and CDs combo writers were rare in the beginning but became a given later on and just about every multimedia computer has it.TheDarkRaven wrote:
HD-DVD Posisitves
So much cheaper.
Can hold a lot more data than a DVD and is still enough for what the current producers want to store data on disks for, until the next format comes out.
HD-DVD players can read normal DVD disks so saving money there.
The players will be cheaper.
Microsoft back it more.
HD-DVD Negatives
It is slated by Sony and other media producers.
It can't hold as much data as Blu-Ray.
-Sony pioneered a lot for DVDs. The PS2 was the only console at the time to offer a DVD player and was costly and we can all see what happened to the contenders
-Although Bill Gates isn't the biggest head on the 360s side, his reduced power may create something but thats just my opinion
Just a theory/question:
If the PS3 is supposedly backwards compatible then that means they have a DVD reader as well meaning it will be the multimedia powerhouse of the future (i won't go into the 20 page IGN essays but heres a taste: you can hook up a keyboard and mouse and supposedly in the future its supposed to have 120 gig; basically making it a computer) But if the rumors are true, they'll be shipping a "free" mini PS2 with each purchase though I think was debunked.
Either way we'll find out during the next holiday season. I'm expecting what happned to the original Xbox to happen to the PS3. PS2 chewed out the Xbox's ass w/ its library of games but once it reached it peak it went through a steady downward climb. With the Xboxs better technology it made better games and went up a little.
Now that Microsoft knows what its doing it may do better but.....
They seem a little desperate:
-telling public Wii esque controllers aren't mainstream (they're the only next gen not to have them)
-telling public to buy Wii over PS3 b/c its cheaper and better (.....you made fun of their controller, always contradicting themselves)
-telling public the bad 360s weren't their fault
-telling public that there isn't a need for Ctrl+Alt+Del (ok i made that one up)
-telling the public (ppl like me) that our hands aren't mainstream and that smaller contrller are better (i'd rather have a bootlegged Madcatz to hold b/c the 360s are way too small for my hans and i'm only in early high school and thats not an opinionated answer)
Well continue on
(bump b/c it was edited)
The PS3's controller is a desperate attempt by a desperate company knowing that their console (and their projects - Blu-Ray being one) are failing.
The Wii is simply the best console out there (PS3 fails in every department...paying huge prices for a big box which rolls around and isn't as good as the competitiors on software or hardware).
Get the original Xbox controller. Maybe that would suit your hands.
blu-ray will be amazing, imo. since the technology allows for more storage, games developed and put on blu-ray discs will (hopefully) have huge storylines/features. Take GTA San Andreas for example. I'm sure the developers were hard-pressed to fit all of its code/music/models onto a dvd. with blueray, the depth of the game will be insane!
Er, Dark Raven is heavily biased towards the Wii so there's your other bias.I2elik wrote:
The guy you're quoting needs to get a more unbiased opinion, though I might add this isn't System Wars on the Gamespot forums, you don't wanna go there either, favor HD-DVD or Blu-ray, and you're straight called a "fanboy".TheDarkRaven wrote:
This is just a biased view. I liked Blu-Ray to start with but it just isn't the best now. "Blu-Ray is the next format" - did you even read anything I wrote?
The PS3's controller is a desperate attempt by a desperate company knowing that their console (and their projects - Blu-Ray being one) are failing.
The Wii is simply the best console out there (PS3 fails in every department...paying huge prices for a big box which rolls around and isn't as good as the competitiors on software or hardware).
Get the original Xbox controller. Maybe that would suit your hands.
Nintento blows, and have for a long time. The only drawback the PS3 is going to have is price. Their release date titles suck (so it seems) but so did the 360's. If Ebay and the 360 release is any indication, there'll be no shortage of mommy and daddy's gold cards forked over for a 1000 dollar PS3. Don't get me wrong, I'm not buying one for that horrendous price (I'm an Xbox fan but won't pay 500+ for a 360, either). And please note that if the Wii turns out to be a decent system (I'm skeptical, but haven't written it off) then I'll be the first to admit it (they have the advantage on price, that's for damn sure).
To the original topic....it's hard to say what will happen between blu ray and HD dvd as they both are backed by serious players in the industry (television leader Toshiba backs HD Dvd, as well as NEC, Sanyo, Microsoft and Intel (see here for more info on HD dvd...Blu Ray has HP, Dell, Apple, Hitachi, Sony, etc see here).
IMO we'll just have to wait and see. One advantage some overlook about the PS3 is that anyone who desperately want a Blu Ray dvd player may as well just buy a PS3, cause it'll be (slightly) cheaper...and Gran Turismo 5 is going to be so freakin' sweet .
lolwrangler wrote:
dvd's resist jizz a little better than vhs
Here's a really good article about the top 10 reasons why HD-DVD and Blu-Ray have already failed.
Clicky here
Personally, I'd go with Blu-Ray, but not for another couple of years. I'll only be interested in it when we get true 1080p/24 through an HDMI cable. Currently, HDMI doesn't have enough bandwidth for True HD (1920 x 1080 Progressive at 24 or 30fps). HD right now is only 720p or 1080i, which is kind of a gyp considering the money you are paying for an HDTV and the Blu-Ray/HD-DVD players...
Clicky here
Personally, I'd go with Blu-Ray, but not for another couple of years. I'll only be interested in it when we get true 1080p/24 through an HDMI cable. Currently, HDMI doesn't have enough bandwidth for True HD (1920 x 1080 Progressive at 24 or 30fps). HD right now is only 720p or 1080i, which is kind of a gyp considering the money you are paying for an HDTV and the Blu-Ray/HD-DVD players...