BF2S Forums Commanding from a vehicle

sry but your totally wrong....if you believe you are somehow helping your team to vitory you are a noob commanders that fight are actually doing nothing since the kills/caps they make dont mean jack....its the teams average score that goes to you....and if you kill sum1 nd say tht "its one less enemy for my comrades" then u are wrong since if you let your comrades kill him the team has a better chance of winning....you talk about the POS commanders DOING there job and you call them lame??? ffs get the facts b4 you put stuff like that on the forums.

GL Andy

The only productive thing that comes from capping is an extra spawn point for your team and you are correct in saying that.....but it would be wiser to send a squad to cap it since if you die your team doesnt have your assets. And spotting random enemies overhead while driving along is impossible unless you like driving off cliffs/into trees.

GL Andy

Seriously, you never spot enemies while driving or running for your teammates?

Wow, I knew I was in the minority, but that's pretty sad.  I'm constantly spotting tanks and choppers as I drive by (don't usually have the proper equipment to engage them)  I probably spot more enemies for my teammates as a regular squaddy than most commanders do.  Helps us win as a team all the quicker. 

As for capping spawn points for my team, yeah, it's absolutely essential sometimes.  If my team persists in going "down the throat" for 10 minutes and gets nowhere, it behooves me to hop in an FAV and head around to the back to cap a new spawn.  It never fails, as soon as that flag goes up my team spawns in droves in the NME's rear.  This is especially helpful on Harvsest where the MEC base is cap-able.  Then I can whip out the C4 and take out my opposites resources.  After I cap their base I hope in THEIR AA vehicle and guard it against helo re-caps.  Why is this:
1.  Improbable?
2.  Not team-friendly?



Viper, yeah, I suppose if the ROE are clearly stated in the server splash screen while you join or in in-game messages that's one thing.  If you're booted unceremonisly, that's another.  Regardless, it still seems an arbitrary policy to me.  As, you stated, there are situations where it makes more sense and some where it makes less.  If I've got a crack team, all organized into squads who are obeying orders OR have enough situational awareness to cap flags where needed and realize we're losing them elsewhere, I'll sit back in seclusion and devote 100% of my time to assisting them do THEIR job.    If not....I'm getting in a vehicle - especially if there are vehicles sitting unused, OR I've invaded the enemy base and there are now a SURPLUS Of vehicles.   After all, one vehicle in my hands is one less in THEIR hands.


Oh, and to the anonymouse negative karma dropper who said    "     stat whore, fuck you "  you obviously don't get the gist of trying to promote more teamwork.  Sounds like the same breed who kneejerk kicks under false assumptions.

Last edited by TF501|Slee (2006-06-16 05:43:41)

TF501|Slee wrote:

Seriously, you never spot enemies while driving or running for your teammates?

Wow, I knew I was in the minority, but that's pretty sad.  I'm constantly spotting tanks and choppers as I drive by (don't usually have the proper equipment to engage them)  I probably spot more enemies for my teammates as a regular squaddy than most commanders do.  Helps us win as a team all the quicker. 

As for capping spawn points for my team, yeah, it's absolutely essential sometimes.  If my team persists in going "down the throat" for 10 minutes and gets nowhere, it behooves me to hop in an FAV and head around to the back to cap a new spawn.  It never fails, as soon as that flag goes up my team spawns in droves in the NME's rear.  This is especially helpful on Harvsest where the MEC base is cap-able.  Then I can whip out the C4 and take out my opposites resources.  After I cap their base I hope in THEIR AA vehicle and guard it against helo re-caps.  Why is this:
1.  Improbable?
2.  Not team-friendly?



Viper, yeah, I suppose if the ROE are clearly stated in the server splash screen while you join or in in-game messages that's one thing.  If you're booted unceremonisly, that's another.  Regardless, it still seems an arbitrary policy to me.  As, you stated, there are situations where it makes more sense and some where it makes less.  If I've got a crack team, all organized into squads who are obeying orders OR have enough situational awareness to cap flags where needed and realize we're losing them elsewhere, I'll sit back in seclusion and devote 100% of my time to assisting them do THEIR job.    If not....I'm getting in a vehicle - especially if there are vehicles sitting unused, OR I've invaded the enemy base and there are now a SURPLUS Of vehicles.   After all, one vehicle in my hands is one less in THEIR hands.

Agreed

Everything has said why a commander shouldn't be sit in a vehicle, especially tank. If i get killed by a non-spotted enemy and see the commander messing around in a tank, i'll be the first who teamkills the commander, make the vehicle available for someone who can actually use it proper and help the team and force the commander to do his job!

If you see me in any kind of vehicle, it's just for defend for something e.g. someone trying to blow up commander assets or stealing empty armor, a quick ride to a flag etc. After the job is done the vehicle will given to someone who uses and deserves it (e.g. an engineer for armor).

Commanders shouldn't fight. A good commander will run a sat scan everytime it's available to keep constant track of every enemy on the battlefield. Also keep track of his squads and spot enemy's for them. If a commander is flying hes not going to see he just sent his infantry squad into the enemy flag where 2 tanks and an APC are waiting. It's also a good idea to run a UAV for a squad entering a flag. I guess a commander can do his job and fight, but there is no way a fighting commander can do his job to it's fullest. A dead commander is a useless commander.

Ive been a true blue ground pounder for a while but i do have 70+ hours in attack choppers. When im having some fun letting my gunner blow away infantry, i don't know theres an enemy tank rapeing a flag on the other end of the map. When the commander spots armor i pull up the tac map real quick and see where it is and go take him out.

Last edited by Cbass (2006-06-16 07:25:09)

TF501|Slee wrote:

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Why is it there are server admins out there who like to kick people from commanding from a vehicle?

Are they such crappy players that they can't conceive of someone actually fighting AND commanding at the same time?  Man, go find some skillz, and leave me the F alone. 

Yes, it can be done. 
Yes, it can be done effectively.
No, it isn't a waste of a vehicle.  (definitely not in AF)

"OMG, OMG, he's in a VEHICLE!  KICK him!  KICK him!  WAhhhhhhh!!!"

I'd like to see (for a change) some server admins kick some worthless POS commanders who sit in a bunker back at the uncap and do nothing to help their team on the battlefield.  Lazy SOBs.  Lame, pure and simple.

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If you're a reasonable server admin who does NOT kick players who have the skill to command AND drive, shoot me a msg.  I'd like to play on YOUR server.

having commanded fairly extensively, I mostly disagree.  The only time a commander can engage in combat is when there are relatively few people on a large map.  Otherwise, it's too difficult to monitor every enemy and also engage in firefights.

The best commander will be ready to hop in a Vodnik and rush to a flag that's about to be captured and engage an enemy or few there, but for the most part, sit back and let those who can devote 100% of their efforts on busting around corners shootin the enemy.

I dont get why commanders play, if theres less than 16 players yes i will play just to keep the teams level instead of 7 v 8 to help my team. I have commanded a hell of a lot of time just recently and you cant do all that stuff at once. Your kills, revives etc do not contribute to your final score so why bother just sit on your ass and let your team dom the rest with your help in spotting the enemies out for them.

I agree with the guys that say a commander doing his job well, is doing it from the back lines, and using all of his resources as commander which take up 90% to 95% of his time.

While playing Karkand, if all of a sudden our back flag at the cement factory is being capped, I blame the commander for not spotting him.  I go to VOIP and swear at the commander for not doing his job and say we will lose because of him.

As far as sitting in vehicles, the commander should only be sitting in a dropped vehicle, and only if needed to get to a flag maybe since he might be the closest to it.

If its a 16 player map, thats different, Otherwise its a waste of assets.

Check my " Can you command effectivly and fly a jet or Gunship  " post.

Last edited by Horseman 77 (2006-06-16 08:01:20)

TF501|Slee wrote:

So, it's OK for you command from a vehicle sometimes, but you'll TK if someone else does it?  Never said I'd sit in the vehicle and do nothing.  That would be just as silly as if I were not commanding and doing nothing in a vehilce.  If I'm in a vehicle, it's for a purpose - usually that of going from point A to point B.

And now read my statement again, i don't know how long you take to kill someone, but i don't need minutes for this if anything seconds...

i like commanding USMC on the carriers. I just go to radar tower