Could you please elaborate?Major_Spittle wrote:
Govenor of Arkansas
See, the bulk of three pages of discussion is centered around whether this is true. Maybe you could, y'know, provide some reasons.Major_Spittle wrote:
Abortion doctor.
He's talking about Clinton, being a murdering former gov of arkansas, and abortionist, who are professional murderers.
Now go take a nap, bubbalo
I already explained what your waiting for, you didn't read.
Now go take a nap, bubbalo
I already explained what your waiting for, you didn't read.
What the fuck are peoples objections to abortion. You try telling a twelve year old girl who's been raped by a fifty six year old man that she's got to keep the baby! So not only does she experience terror at the hands of a pervert, she gets a kid thats going to remind her of it for the rest of her life. Wtf?
Yeah. See, what I'm wondering about, is what he did that you consider murder. Funnily enough, not everyone is American. In fact, only people who live in America are. Funny that, huh?yerded wrote:
He's talking about Clinton, being a murdering former gov of arkansas,
Huh, you still take naps? Maybe you aren't as mature as you though. Me, I don't really need them. I will be going to bed soon, though.yerded wrote:
Now go take a nap, bubbalo
No, what I'm waiting for is to know why guilty people are better qualified to judge a crime.yerded wrote:
I already explained what your waiting for, you didn't read.
While it may be argued that a lump of tissue the size of an eraser isn't human, something that has brainwaves, a heart beat, can feel pain (like the human fetus can at 6 weeks), kicks, sucks it's thumb, and can get hiccups like humans do before we are born probably is, when the change occurs we'll never know, so how about we err on the side of live babies. I mean are babies that are born premature not alive? My friend was born 2 months early, she'll get a kick out of that.TriggerHappy998 wrote:
W00t Pro-choice!
I've always wondered... if a fetus is "alive" at conception, why is it that we choose to celebrate the date of birth instead of the date of conception? Wouldn't that seem more logical if a baby is alive at that time?
Edit: and how exactly do you know that lump of tissue the size of an eraser isn't human anyway?
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I don't believe in Abortion as contraception but a woman should not be forced to have a child due to Rape.
Clinton was a big Pro-Abortion Governor and President.
Please Please don't stereotype every single U.S. soldier because of the actions of a few. It just makes you look ignorant and stupid.
I bet all these American haters were sad yesterday to see their Hero Zarqawi(sp) die. I'm sure he never hurt any women or children in Iraq.
Clinton was a big Pro-Abortion Governor and President.
Please Please don't stereotype every single U.S. soldier because of the actions of a few. It just makes you look ignorant and stupid.
I bet all these American haters were sad yesterday to see their Hero Zarqawi(sp) die. I'm sure he never hurt any women or children in Iraq.
Thankyou.JG1567JG wrote:
Clinton was a big Pro-Abortion Governor and President.
How about the fact that info indicates that there have been more than a few incidents?JG1567JG wrote:
Please Please don't stereotype every single U.S. soldier because of the actions of a few. It just makes you look ignorant and stupid.
So, because we don't like America we must like terrorists? Good one.JG1567JG wrote:
I bet all these American haters were sad yesterday to see their Hero Zarqawi(sp) die. I'm sure he never hurt any women or children in Iraq.
I still support abortion pre-brain development. The lump of tissue is human in nature, except it's like a tumor. As I said, until the brain has formed, it's just a mindless leech. When you speak of "the change", I have a feeling you're talking about the ability to conceptualize. That's like...after toddler phase (the point at which adjusting and regularizing control over natural ability has been developed [i.e. major neuron construction = complete]). Children are about 4-12, and that's basically the point at which they could be categorized under the box named "Intelligent Life".kr@cker wrote:
While it may be argued that a lump of tissue the size of an eraser isn't human, something that has brainwaves, a heart beat, can feel pain (like the human fetus can at 6 weeks), kicks, sucks it's thumb, and can get hiccups like humans do before we are born probably is, when the change occurs we'll never know, so how about we err on the side of live babies. I mean are babies that are born premature not alive? My friend was born 2 months early, she'll get a kick out of that.TriggerHappy998 wrote:
W00t Pro-choice!
I've always wondered... if a fetus is "alive" at conception, why is it that we choose to celebrate the date of birth instead of the date of conception? Wouldn't that seem more logical if a baby is alive at that time?
Edit: and how exactly do you know that lump of tissue the size of an eraser isn't human anyway?
Yea, and you gotta carry your license to kill with you at all times (keep it next to your library card).Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:
Duh, when you are Bond.
Keep a notepad by the bed so you can keep up with all the various 'conception tries'.TriggerHappy998 wrote:
W00t Pro-choice!
I've always wondered... if a fetus is "alive" at conception, why is it that we choose to celebrate the date of birth instead of the date of conception? Wouldn't that seem more logical if a baby is alive at that time?
"are you sure it was June 10? I thought I pulled out that night...remember you bitched about the wet spot?"
I think the actual birthdate is good enough.....
Actually, a better position on Abortion is this:
If you can't ovulate, then you just shut the hell up about it, as it's not your decision to make.
If you can't ovulate, then you just shut the hell up about it, as it's not your decision to make.
Really??!!..............So as a father of the child you have no say so in the life and death of your own son or daughter??Marconius wrote:
Actually, a better position on Abortion is this:
If you can't ovulate, then you just shut the hell up about it, as it's not your decision to make.
Murder is legal when it is for self defense, I think that is in holy bible.
More like old pederasts in the House and Senate shouldn't be debating the contents of a woman's womb. And if you are the father, then yes, the ultimate decision comes from the mother. You'd exert control over her own wishes and force her to birth the baby even if she didn't want to? That doesn't sound like a free society to me...
Why should a lesbo be more entitled to an opinion about this than me???Marconius wrote:
Actually, a better position on Abortion is this:
If you can't ovulate, then you just shut the hell up about it, as it's not your decision to make.
I will stop complaining about unborn children being murdered when you libs stop whining about terrorists being killed in Iraq.
Now go Ovulate that.
If the father and his family is willing to take full custody of the baby, why the hell not??Marconius wrote:
More like old pederasts in the House and Senate shouldn't be debating the contents of a woman's womb. And if you are the father, then yes, the ultimate decision comes from the mother. You'd exert control over her own wishes and force her to birth the baby even if she didn't want to? That doesn't sound like a free society to me...
Have you seen a live birth? Do you understand what the woman has to go through in mental and physical preparation prior to labor?
If you absolutely want to have a baby, you and your S.O. better have talked about that before you decide to have proper sex. If it was an accident, or if the woman was raped or a victim of incest, then it is their decision on whether or not to go through the entire physically debilitating process of having a baby, or aborting the fetus so they don't have to lose 9 months of their lives.
Even if you are willing to take custody, that still in itself is you and your family forcing their will on the mother. Again, that's not freedom.
If you absolutely want to have a baby, you and your S.O. better have talked about that before you decide to have proper sex. If it was an accident, or if the woman was raped or a victim of incest, then it is their decision on whether or not to go through the entire physically debilitating process of having a baby, or aborting the fetus so they don't have to lose 9 months of their lives.
Even if you are willing to take custody, that still in itself is you and your family forcing their will on the mother. Again, that's not freedom.
I will say this:
19 years ago my girlfriend ( who later became my wife ) got pregnant. It was unplanned and she had the pregnancy aborted, with my approval. At the time being so young, I considered it a problem solved. As I matured and started thinking about a family I started to be haunted by my actions 10 years earlier. Now I have 2 sons that I adore. I swear, from the day I felt my first son move in my wife's womb until this second, I have tried to come to grips with what I did years ago and it is inescapable. I aborted the birth of my child. I am not trying to be a drama queen here, but I promise you, I swear to god I promise you, if you ever have kids. If you ever hold your child and look into their eyes and watch them grow you will change your attitude about the killing of unborn children. If you agree with my posts in these forums or not, please believe that.
19 years ago my girlfriend ( who later became my wife ) got pregnant. It was unplanned and she had the pregnancy aborted, with my approval. At the time being so young, I considered it a problem solved. As I matured and started thinking about a family I started to be haunted by my actions 10 years earlier. Now I have 2 sons that I adore. I swear, from the day I felt my first son move in my wife's womb until this second, I have tried to come to grips with what I did years ago and it is inescapable. I aborted the birth of my child. I am not trying to be a drama queen here, but I promise you, I swear to god I promise you, if you ever have kids. If you ever hold your child and look into their eyes and watch them grow you will change your attitude about the killing of unborn children. If you agree with my posts in these forums or not, please believe that.
Yes I watched both of my sons being born...have YOU ever seen a live birth??Marconius wrote:
Have you seen a live birth? Do you understand what the woman has to go through in mental and physical preparation prior to labor?
If you absolutely want to have a baby, you and your S.O. better have talked about that before you decide to have proper sex. If it was an accident, or if the woman was raped or a victim of incest, then it is their decision on whether or not to go through the entire physically debilitating process of having a baby, or aborting the fetus so they don't have to lose 9 months of their lives.
Even if you are willing to take custody, that still in itself is you and your family forcing their will on the mother. Again, that's not freedom.
Better yet..........Have you ever seen an abortion?????????!!!!!!!!!
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Sure have, except they weren't mine. I understand your position, lowing, but truth be told, your personal experiences cannot be assumed in order to control the lives of the rest of the women in this nation. Again, it comes down to you and your significant other fully talking about and understanding the gravity of having a baby vs. aborting it, especially during the time of your life. 10 years earlier, it would've been emotionally taxing on your girlfriend-now-wife to have carried the baby. Retrospect/hindsight is always 20/20, but you just have to wonder if going through the 9-month process would've really helped her...
Personally, I cannot have children, so I'll be looking to adopt when I get married and the time comes.
Edit: Good job changing your post just as I submitted. And Yes, I have seen abortions as well.
Personally, I cannot have children, so I'll be looking to adopt when I get married and the time comes.
Edit: Good job changing your post just as I submitted. And Yes, I have seen abortions as well.
In the examples you give, rape, incest etc...I will agree with you. But to use abortion as a form of birth control is utterly irresponsible. Especially when there are loved ones willing to help, if not down right alleviate the burden of parenthood.Marconius wrote:
Sure have, except they weren't mine. I understand your position, lowing, but truth be told, your personal experiences cannot be assumed in order to control the lives of the rest of the women in this nation. Again, it comes down to you and your significant other fully talking about and understanding the gravity of having a baby vs. aborting it, especially during the time of your life. 10 years earlier, it would've been emotionally taxing on your girlfriend-now-wife to have carried the baby. Retrospect/hindsight is always 20/20, but you just have to wonder if going through the 9-month process would've really helped her...
Personally, I cannot have children, so I'll be looking to adopt when I get married and the time comes.
Edit: Good job changing your post just as I submitted. And Yes, I have seen abortions as well.
I find it very hard to believe that you have seen abortions as they take place and still hold your position. All of this, from this forums champion of life and peace and harmony throughout the world??
Yes I have. They have real good drugs and spinal blocks. There is also getting a "C section". Small price to pay compared to being tore apart and sucked through a tube. But the problem is that you don't see it that way and only are worried about what happens to YOU.Marconius wrote:
Have you seen a live birth? Do you understand what the woman has to go through in mental and physical preparation prior to labor?
If you absolutely want to have a baby, you and your S.O. better have talked about that before you decide to have proper sex. If it was an accident, or if the woman was raped or a victim of incest, then it is their decision on whether or not to go through the entire physically debilitating process of having a baby, or aborting the fetus so they don't have to lose 9 months of their lives.
Even if you are willing to take custody, that still in itself is you and your family forcing their will on the mother. Again, that's not freedom.
You fuck up, so suck your unborn peice by peice through a tube. hmmm.
And I agree that no one should have to put their life at risk for another. A little girl being raped, if she is physically or mentally unable to go through with the pregnancy I feel it should be terminated humanely and early as possible. But mentally it may be harder on her to get an abortion, vs counseling during the pregnancy to reinforce she is doing something good after something bad happened. There are many people that would love to adopt, but can't.
Peace, harmony, freedom, and the ability for a woman to choose what goes on with and in her body. Plus, I have a different viewpoint on when a fetus actually becomes a Person. Believe whatever you want, but I've seen live births and I've witnessed the various forms of abortion. It doesn't sway my belief in the slightest that it is none other than the mother's Right to Choose, since when it comes down to it, it's no one elses matter but hers. The baby is in Her womb, it's coming out of Her vagina, and she needs to spend 9 months of her life getting ready for it.
Abortion more irresponsible then accidentally getting pregnant? Just because you didn't wear a condom or didn't have a dam/cervical cap in place for recreational sex is no reason to force a woman to give up 9 months of her life and to physically handicap her body.
It's not like women who get abortions just run around having sex everywhere and just pop on in to get the fetus removed if/when she gets pregnant...
Planned Parenthood clinics have a full psychological exam prior to the abortion, to make sure the mother is ready for her decision. Loved ones can't have the baby for the mother, yes? And if the mother is working? If the mother has a time-sensitive job, or prefers an active lifestyle and just doesn't want to carry a baby?
Abortion more irresponsible then accidentally getting pregnant? Just because you didn't wear a condom or didn't have a dam/cervical cap in place for recreational sex is no reason to force a woman to give up 9 months of her life and to physically handicap her body.
It's not like women who get abortions just run around having sex everywhere and just pop on in to get the fetus removed if/when she gets pregnant...
Planned Parenthood clinics have a full psychological exam prior to the abortion, to make sure the mother is ready for her decision. Loved ones can't have the baby for the mother, yes? And if the mother is working? If the mother has a time-sensitive job, or prefers an active lifestyle and just doesn't want to carry a baby?
I am curious as to how you have seen live child births when you are not a father and for that matter abortions as well.Marconius wrote:
Peace, harmony, freedom, and the ability for a woman to choose what goes on with and in her body. Plus, I have a different viewpoint on when a fetus actually becomes a Person. Believe whatever you want, but I've seen live births and I've witnessed the various forms of abortion. It doesn't sway my belief in the slightest that it is none other than the mother's Right to Choose, since when it comes down to it, it's no one elses matter but hers. The baby is in Her womb, it's coming out of Her vagina, and she needs to spend 9 months of her life getting ready for it.
Abortion more irresponsible then accidentally getting pregnant? Just because you didn't wear a condom or didn't have a dam/cervical cap in place for recreational sex is no reason to force a woman to give up 9 months of her life and to physically handicap her body.
It's not like women who get abortions just run around having sex everywhere and just pop on in to get the fetus removed if/when she gets pregnant...
Planned Parenthood clinics have a full psychological exam prior to the abortion, to make sure the mother is ready for her decision. Loved ones can't have the baby for the mother, yes? And if the mother is working? If the mother has a time-sensitive job, or prefers an active lifestyle and just doesn't want to carry a baby?
I was a medical librarian for a hospital in Gilroy for a few years, and I did a lot of work with the MBU among all the other departments. I have friends who work one-on-one with patients in Planned Parenthood clinics, and a lot of the family friends we have are doctors (my mom is a VP of Quality/Risk Management).
Aside from that, do you have anything else to say about the mother's right to choose?
Aside from that, do you have anything else to say about the mother's right to choose?