BF2S Forums A 10 Tank Buster - a message to EA

Okay, before anything, I am not whining. With virtually every other change, I have had the mantra of adapt and overcome. But *this* does bother me *alot.

The Su-25, and the A-10 both are horrible representations of what they are in real life. Virtually every other vehicle is *on some level* like its real-life kin (yes, i realize the APC/IFV vehicles are teh uber compared to their real life kin, but still) - however, the A-10 *AND* the Su-25 both have 30mm cannons designed to take out Armor formations.

DICE really needs to beef up the cannons on the A-10, and the Su-25. And *please* these planes have incredible armaments real life...to give them nothing but 4x Dumb Bombs is a crime. Even just the advent of clusterbombs (high area damage against dismounted infantry) or dumbfire rockets, something, *anything* to spice up these aircraft. As is, they are the only aircraft with a single secondary attack. Even with 4x bombs instead of 2x, these aircraft are inferior in the ground attack role to the fighter jets (fighters are faster, can get away from AA sites faster, and make more passes in less time).

On top of that, the Chinese ground attack aircraft *DOESNT HAVE AFTERBURNER*...wtf...i mean really now...wtf. In real life it has afterburner. The A-10, yeah, it doesnt, and neither does the Su-25

Armored Fury has nerfed the everloving crap out of attack aircraft before they even got the chance to be complained about. Armor now cruises across the map unimpeded but for other armor, or attack helis that are commonly inept. It is still alot of fun, dont get me wrong - but with just a single attack aircraft (for either side) on the game, they really should

A: Up the power on the A-10 and Su-25's cannons.

B: Give the Chinese aircraft afterburners, but give it the 2x 20mm cannons it should (translation: it should fire just like the fighter jets, only 2x as much), but not the tank-buster cannons the A-10 and Su-25 should have

C: Give the Attack Jets clusterbombs, dumbfire rockets, or some other form of attack. All they have is bombs and guns: they are far *far* inferior to the fighter jets.

Anyways, without reading the 20-something posts after mine, because I am purely lazy. I just want to say that the way the bombs are dropped on any of the bombers in this new expansion is bogus. They're incredibly hard to hit a target with one bomb. Hitting them with 2 or more is easy though, but the blast isn't nearly strong enough to kill a tank. Possibly infantry or light armor of course, yet tanks and heavy armor won't be hassled with a carpet bombing when none of the bombs kill said target.

Just the fact that the blast on these things aren't strong enough to really do enough damage the first time through sorta annoys me.

And that's my rant. *nods*

<[onex]>Headstone wrote:

If its NOTHING Like the Real Plane, Why the hell put it in the game? Anyways The Damn plane has been retired anyways WTF. Before i got hurt in the AF in Desert storm, That was the frigging Tank Muncher i use to arm before they went out and whiped the crap out of the armor. I mean Cmon, The cannon on the A-10 can and does take out a whole batallion of Armor on its own, so if you have to use the same amount of ammo as you do with the other planes, I call it a waste of programing.

Shit now im dissapointed, But will buy the frigging thing just to play the US maps.

I am confused. What exactly do you mean by retired? Do you mean not used in combat anymore? The reason I am saying this is because they still operate out of Battle Creek, Michigan and once in awhile they will make an appearance here at the airport in Grand Rapids, MI. I hear that it is LOUD when they do fly-overs.

.:ronin:.|Patton wrote:

why dont you make it like it really is EA, instead of fairy princess land where everything is fair.

Because real life sucks when translated directly to a game. In order for your little tank buster to fly you would need the following:

#1. Complete air superiority. The MEC would have to magically spawn aircraft carriers full of interceptors and bombers over the east coast to destroy all AA and radar emplacements.

#2. Then they would have to take out all the unfriendly interceptors who would shoot down all said bombers and interceptors.

#3. This does not even take into account the complete unplausability that the MEC could get into Lancaster PA, suppress all resistance, and set up a base to house their choppers and Tank busters. Or the middle of a populated suburb like in Road rage.

Only then, after complete air superiority is reached and you have complete control of the ground would you be able to gas up your attack chopper and tank buster to take out ground targets.

You want that game? Or do you want a set-piece battle that can be played with 2 evenly matched opponents against each other?

<[onex wrote:

>Headstone]If its NOTHING Like the Real Plane, Why the hell put it in the game? Anyways The Damn plane has been retired anyways WTF. Before i got hurt in the AF in Desert storm, That was the frigging Tank Muncher i use to arm before they went out and whiped the crap out of the armor. I mean Cmon, The cannon on the A-10 can and does take out a whole batallion of Armor on its own, so if you have to use the same amount of ammo as you do with the other planes, I call it a waste of programing.

Shit now im dissapointed, But will buy the frigging thing just to play the US maps.

You do realize that in order for that "friggin Tank Muncher" to be used in Desert Storm, your airforce needed to bomb AA, radar, airfields for weeks, as well as and destroy all of the enemies air power. So unless you want that in your game too take your reality and preach it somewhere else.

I don't see cries for reality when J-10's and all the other jets just indescriminatingly bombs the crap out of ground targets on all the other maps?

Delphy wrote:

Look at USI for proof that a good A10 does not own everything. It's good, yeah, but slow and still vunerable to AA (and other jets), but it is properly devastating used well. The AF A10 blows.

I keep hearing this. I will have to try this mod.

Kurt