BF2S Forums "Massacre" in Iraq by U.S. Troops

GATOR591957 wrote:

Gunslinger a question for you.  Where are the British troops stationed.  We rarely hear over here what exactly they are doing.  Before you flame me I am just interested.  I'm not trying to make any accusations.

basrah I think. its more down south towards the desert.  but I do remember seeing brits in and around baghdad doing patrols and i would occasionally catch a squad eating in the difac. but never in huge numbers.  one time i caught a glimpse of a chopper dropping a single british soldier just outside the wire in FOB Gunslinger in baghdad, then he walked inside while we opened the gate.  had to have been VIP.


I honestly dont think we should have invaded Iraq, but im not against the war.  Iwas pulling guard duty out in the field when my cellphone rang and i answered it on the downlowl and my girl at the time told me that it started.  first thing in my mind was "fuck yeah, deployment".  It could have been Iraq or camaroon, i didnt care.  I chose infantry and i was finally gonna do some real infantry shit.  When i was in country, i dont ever remember getting into an argument over whether we belong there with any other soldier.  I would say "i dont think we should ever have invaded" and someone else would say "i think were doing the right thing" then i would say "oh well, lets goto the difac".  I dont really care whether it was right or wrong to go into Iraq "we're there anyways so lets kill as many enemy as we can and take pictures" was my mindset.  But, i honestly do believe it is winable.  winable meaning defeating the enemy and their ability to wage war.  but only if they are to pour more troops in country and let the military take off the gloves for more than one operation at a time.  what i dont agree with is the fact that didnt really let us be as agressive as we can be.  Patrol, for the most part, were busy work, plain and simple.  once or twice a week we would do raids or cordons or sweeps and we would find a buttload of baddies and weapons. but other than that we just drive and walk around waiting to get hit so we could hit back.

What I am most proud of was the opportunity i had to be a part of the best company/battalion/regiment in the United States Army.  2nd Battalion(Ghost), 7th Cavalry Regiment (GarryOwen) remember the 7th, bitches.....jk.  But honestly being a part of a unit with such a rich history and participating in the biggest urban battle since Hue City in Vietnam, as well as the hunt for Muqtada Al-Sadr in Najaf and the fact that I was living the news instead of watching it on CNN or the history channel has been the highlight of my 23 years and I dont see how I could do anything to top it. But most importantly the fact that I served my nation, whether right or wrong, is the most fulfilling feeling i have in my life. No matter what I do from here on out I was a soldier and an infantryman, and no one could ever possibly take that away from me, not even the los angeles sheriffs department. 

Im tired of seeing the shit on cnn though, every day I feel like BIAP is calling my name louder and louder and if it wasnt for me not wanting start going to jr college again when im 40, i would be back in iraq right now.

Last edited by GunSlinger OIF II (2006-06-01 17:05:57)

Because we do set the example there will be a trial and if there is guilt there will be punishment.

There were no orders from on high to do this so America as a whole is guilty of nothing. Complain all you want about illegality, as far as international law is concerned Iraq was in violation of multiple U.N. mandates.
     If the world wants to talk and then do nothing I say we withdraw from the U.N.
     
I supported the invasion and viewed the WMD issue as just a sales gimick for a sqeamish public. We had been occupying that country for 10 years after gulf war 1 enforcing sanctions and decries voted on by the same rat bastard coward countries that now relish in our hardship. It was unfinished business, a war abandoned the first time because we respected the U.N., and a war reinvigorated because we saw the U.N. as being at risk of becoming an empty threat by not enforcing its own mandate.
     It works like this;
     U.N. votes for punative measures
     U.N. critizes U.S.A. for not doing/giving enough
     U.N. does nothing
     U.S. attempts to save face of U.N. by being its enforcement arm.
     U.N. hates U.S. because we reveal them to be the say much do nothing bunch that it is.
     
     Finally; if I didn't care about my fellow human beings in Iraq I too would want to do nothing.
     Gunslinger, thank you for sharing your story.

Major_Spittle wrote:

CommieChipmunk,

Since you say we decided what kinda of government to put in place in Iraq and the people didn't want a democracy, maybe you can tell us all what kind of government they wanted????

Appearently you only care about what the terrorists/insurgents want over there???  Is this the case???  The people blowing up car bombs in the middle of civilians get to decide what kind of government they have over there.  Are these people killing civilians with car bombs the noble people and the US troops are evil???

You truely are a smacktard and maybe you should move out of this democracy since obviously it is not a government of choice for you.  You obviously think people don't like being free, so move to china or north korea.

alright i'll start from the bottom with freedom.  Sure america is the land of the free.. but that freedom is slowly being eaten away if you've been paying attention.  Thanks to 9/11 we now have the patriot act, we have phone probes, we have elaborate camera systems going up in major cities to "monitor" terrorist activites or some b/s.  It's like freaking big brother or something

See, theres a lot wrong with your second paragraph.  You're saying that every person over in iraq is a terrorist/insurgent, i can promise you that is not the case.  I want them to be free from oppression, and right now we're forcing a new form of government on them that might not fit well with their culture, lifestyles..etc.. so how about we let them have a say in it?  and no i dont believe they are noble, frankly i think they're not proving a point, they're making it harder.  Do i believe that the US troops are evil? no.. i believe that the reason we are there is someone corrupt (if you really need an explaination ask and i'll give you one..)

Personally i cant say what goventment they wanted.  If it was a democracy great, if it was socialism, communism, whatever i dont care.  I think it would have been a step in the right direction if they were able to choose their own government.  Personally i would have been opposed to another dictatorship because they're almost always corrupt...too much power in too few hands (hmm sounds like our democracy )

anyways.. yea

You guys do whatever the hell you like, but don't fucking moan when another 9/11 happens because if america doesn't stop pissing of the middle east we're all proper fucked.

Spumantiii wrote:

yerded wrote:

Because we do set the example there will be a trial and if there is guilt there will be punishment.

There were no orders from on high to do this so America as a whole is guilty of nothing. Complain all you want about illegality, as far as international law is concerned Iraq was in violation of multiple U.N. mandates.
     If the world wants to talk and then do nothing I say we withdraw from the U.N.
     
I supported the invasion and viewed the WMD issue as just a sales gimick for a sqeamish public. We had been occupying that country for 10 years after gulf war 1 enforcing sanctions and decries voted on by the same rat bastard coward countries that now relish in our hardship. It was unfinished business, a war abandoned the first time because we respected the U.N., and a war reinvigorated because we saw the U.N. as being at risk of becoming an empty threat by not enforcing its own mandate.
     It works like this;
     U.N. votes for punative measures
     U.N. critizes U.S.A. for not doing/giving enough
     U.N. does nothing
     U.S. attempts to save face of U.N. by being its enforcement arm.
     U.N. hates U.S. because we reveal them to be the say much do nothing bunch that it is.
     
     Finally; if I didn't care about my fellow human beings in Iraq I too would want to do nothing.
     Gunslinger, thank you for sharing your story.

you've got alot of ugly shit to say about the UN and other countries.
The point of the UN was to avoid war.  Not to do 'something'.
The UN countries do not individually have the same amount of funds to play with.  America has a percentage equal to the others which was agreed upon as fair to everyone.  Not everyone has been fair to that.  If you look at what the UN has done, instead of the one thing they hadn't which was go into Iraq, you'll find lots.
The UN is not meant for waging preemptive strikes.  You're fighting against the agreed logic of the rest of the developed world here.  The only way for the UN, just like a kick vote in Bf2, to be effective is if everyone participates.  I hope you're not talking about Canada because Canadian soldiers have proven themselves to be the toughest infantry in the world.  Australia: honorable mention .   Besides, all I was talking about was how it's right for people to question things like this.  Or are you more the cover and conceal type?

Not saying you are wrong......but you said "Candadian soldiers have proven theyselves t obe the toughest infantry in the world"..How? , Where? When? and Who?  has proven this statement?

here's something to stir shit up:

when the next 9/11 happens it will be at the hands of the Bush family controlled CIA, as an extension of the 'skulls'.  This organization is the one that orchestrated the Kennedy assassination, with the use of the anti Cuban army set up by the CIA, (funded/organized by George HW  Bush) namely E Howard Hunt, the actual headshot gunman (who threatened to blow the thing wide open while in jail during the watergate scandal, Nixon got him out and resigned).   Oswald was an FBI spy under Hoover to find out what the CIA was doing.  CIA skulls (at this point mainly all skulls, funded by Prescott Bush and his associate, the proven Nazi bankers) framed Oswald, formed the Warren report, tampered with evidence (JFKs body and bullets), and hired Jack Ruby, the mafia gunman to kill Oswald at the courts.  The Bush family, first funded and created the CIA, and were skulls, along with John Connoly the man sitting in front of JFK in the Lincoln.  The CIA was behind the operatives who organized bay of pigs.  They also shot the president, because Kennedy had hoover's FBI fuck with their illegal operations. 

When it happens, blame Bush's Nazi and skull family, and the CIA.  (with its 100+ billion in gold bars "recovered" from the WTC basement before it was demolished by explosives)

the skulls will end the world

here comes the karma *bracing*

Spumantiii wrote:

lowing wrote:

Spumantiii wrote:

you've got alot of ugly shit to say about the UN and other countries.
The point of the UN was to avoid war.  Not to do 'something'.
The UN countries do not individually have the same amount of funds to play with.  America has a percentage equal to the others which was agreed upon as fair to everyone.  Not everyone has been fair to that.  If you look at what the UN has done, instead of the one thing they hadn't which was go into Iraq, you'll find lots.
The UN is not meant for waging preemptive strikes.  You're fighting against the agreed logic of the rest of the developed world here.  The only way for the UN, just like a kick vote in Bf2, to be effective is if everyone participates.  I hope you're not talking about Canada because Canadian soldiers have proven themselves to be the toughest infantry in the world.  Australia: honorable mention .   Besides, all I was talking about was how it's right for people to question things like this.  Or are you more the cover and conceal type?

Not saying you are wrong......but you said "Candadian soldiers have proven theyselves t obe the toughest infantry in the world"..How? , Where? When? and Who?  has proven this statement?

Ask the American soldiers they fought with in Afghanistan, and read a history book, which will tell you that wherever Canadian soldiers are involved are the battles noone else wants to fight.

Well obviously you have read such hisotry books.......give me the titles and I will look it up.

Spumantiii wrote:

here's something to stir shit up:

when the next 9/11 happens it will be at the hands of the Bush family controlled CIA, as an extension of the 'skulls'.  This organization is the one that orchestrated the Kennedy assassination, with the use of the anti Cuban army set up by the CIA, (funded/organized by George HW  Bush) namely E Howard Hunt, the actual headshot gunman (who threatened to blow the thing wide open while in jail during the watergate scandal, Nixon got him out and resigned).   Oswald was an FBI spy under Hoover to find out what the CIA was doing.  CIA skulls (at this point mainly all skulls, funded by Prescott Bush and his associate, the proven Nazi bankers) framed Oswald, formed the Warren report, tampered with evidence (JFKs body and bullets), and hired Jack Ruby, the mafia gunman to kill Oswald at the courts.  The Bush family, first funded and created the CIA, and were skulls, along with John Connoly the man sitting in front of JFK in the Lincoln.  The CIA was behind the operatives who organized bay of pigs.  They also shot the president, because Kennedy had hoover's FBI fuck with their illegal operations. 

When it happens, blame Bush's Nazi and skull family, and the CIA.  (with its 100+ billion in gold bars "recovered" from the WTC basement before it was demolished by explosives)

the skulls will end the world

here comes the karma *bracing*

We are gunna need the experts on this one.........
Marconius, unorginalnuttah?.............you guys wanna field this one??

Last edited by lowing (2006-06-01 18:33:46)

I here alot of "oh what if that was your little girl, what if that was your grandfather, neighbor, or family member, those marines should get whats coming to them", well lets just say that marine/s was your father, neighbor,  or family member that killed those innocent people as an accident or a revenge attack as you guys put it, what would you do or say? would you say let him be trialed in court and hope he gets whats coming to him? Rite now everyones going by word of mouth cause until i see a video im not satisfied that those marines killed those people on purpose. Every war has collateral damage and innocent people will loose there life sooner or later. The one thing i dont get is when terrorist blows up themselves and take civis with them no one talks about it or just say its another suicide bomber, but when american/british forces bomb or shoot an innocent person there quickly to get put down.

yerded wrote:

Spumantiii wrote:

here's something to stir shit up:

when the next 9/11 happens it will be at the hands of the Bush family controlled CIA, as an extension of the 'skulls'.  This organization is the one that orchestrated the Kennedy assassination, with the use of the anti Cuban army set up by the CIA, (funded/organized by George HW  Bush) namely E Howard Hunt, the actual headshot gunman (who threatened to blow the thing wide open while in jail during the watergate scandal, Nixon got him out and resigned).   Oswald was an FBI spy under Hoover to find out what the CIA was doing.  CIA skulls (at this point mainly all skulls, funded by Prescott Bush and his associate, the proven Nazi bankers) framed Oswald, formed the Warren report, tampered with evidence (JFKs body and bullets), and hired Jack Ruby, the mafia gunman to kill Oswald at the courts.  The Bush family, first funded and created the CIA, and were skulls, along with John Connoly the man sitting in front of JFK in the Lincoln.  The CIA was behind the operatives who organized bay of pigs.  They also shot the president, because Kennedy had hoover's FBI fuck with their illegal operations. 

When it happens, blame Bush's Nazi and skull family, and the CIA.  (with its 100+ billion in gold bars "recovered" from the WTC basement before it was demolished by explosives)

the skulls will end the world

here comes the karma *bracing*

Please I mean this with respect;
STFU!

i conquer. if you believe 9/11 was a conspiracy, watch the news clips from 112 different countries then take a shotgun to your head.

that is harsh, but this conspiracy BULLSHIT is getting old. almost 5 years old in fact.

JohnnyBlanco wrote:

You guys do whatever the hell you like, but don't fucking moan when another 9/11 happens because if america doesn't stop pissing of the middle east we're all proper fucked.

very nice i totally agree 1+

stryyker wrote:

Insurgents are a ghost army. EVERYONE is a target. everyone must understand that

Even innocent civilians eh? You fucking douche, they didn't ask for us to be there and they don't want us there. I'd like you to try really hard to imagine someone invading your neighborhood and telling you that even though your not a "badguy" you're still a target and if you get killed you're just a casualty of war and, oh well. No respect for human life.

I support our troops because like has been said in this thread they are just following orders. Most of them don't want to be there and the ones that do are either crazy or haven't heard that this war is just a big lie like most wars. Or maybe they just have a hard on for killing no matter who it is. I agree that judgement should be reserved until we see the evidence but the fact that it has been covered up doesn't look good.

Spumantiii wrote:

yerded wrote:

Because we do set the example there will be a trial and if there is guilt there will be punishment.

There were no orders from on high to do this so America as a whole is guilty of nothing. Complain all you want about illegality, as far as international law is concerned Iraq was in violation of multiple U.N. mandates.
     If the world wants to talk and then do nothing I say we withdraw from the U.N.
     
I supported the invasion and viewed the WMD issue as just a sales gimick for a sqeamish public. We had been occupying that country for 10 years after gulf war 1 enforcing sanctions and decries voted on by the same rat bastard coward countries that now relish in our hardship. It was unfinished business, a war abandoned the first time because we respected the U.N., and a war reinvigorated because we saw the U.N. as being at risk of becoming an empty threat by not enforcing its own mandate.
     It works like this;
     U.N. votes for punative measures
     U.N. critizes U.S.A. for not doing/giving enough
     U.N. does nothing
     U.S. attempts to save face of U.N. by being its enforcement arm.
     U.N. hates U.S. because we reveal them to be the say much do nothing bunch that it is.
     
     Finally; if I didn't care about my fellow human beings in Iraq I too would want to do nothing.
     Gunslinger, thank you for sharing your story.

you've got alot of ugly shit to say about the UN and other countries.
The point of the UN was to avoid war.  Not to do 'something'.
The UN countries do not individually have the same amount of funds to play with.  America has a percentage equal to the others which was agreed upon as fair to everyone.  Not everyone has been fair to that.  If you look at what the UN has done, instead of the one thing they hadn't which was go into Iraq, you'll find lots.
The UN is not meant for waging preemptive strikes.  You're fighting against the agreed logic of the rest of the developed world here.  The only way for the UN, just like a kick vote in Bf2, to be effective is if everyone participates.  I hope you're not talking about Canada because Canadian soldiers have proven themselves to be the toughest infantry in the world.  Australia: honorable mention .   Besides, all I was talking about was how it's right for people to question things like this.  Or are you more the cover and conceal type?

agreed....