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Should America close military bases and stop aid to EU?

Close them all and stop aid.25%25% - 50
Just close bases now that they don't need protection.16%16% - 32
Just cut aid.7%7% - 14
Lower number of bases and aid.10%10% - 21
Lower just bases.5%5% - 10
Lower aid.3%3% - 6
Just cut the French out.32%32% - 65
Total: 198
2006-06-01 08:54:26
CameronPoe
Member
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morecullions wrote:

you seem to think your high school is a college .. sorry it isnt ...
only differnece between a university and a college is that some college's ie community colleges cant offer a 4 year bachelors degree .. you seem confused about what kind of school you goto maybe you should go see a counselor to lean how to wipe your ass

to cameron:its awesome/sad how i know more about your region than you do. look again dumbfuck
romania and bulgaria ARE in the EU and i stated that Serbia Bosnia and Turkey are APPLYING to the EU so maybe get that jizzum out of your eye or w/e the fuck is your problem. i know the year 2000 was so fucking long ago ...well just keep giving to the EU when it needs it ..waiting for some fucked up country to try to destroy itself then well show up.

http://www.irlfunds.org/aif/
Afrocullions you are hilarious.

I think I know Europe a little better than an ignoramus like you. I invite you to click on the official european union website link below:

http://europa.eu/abc/governments/index_en.htm

You can also do extensive searching on the web if you wish to find Romania/Bulgaria's 'phantom' membership of the EU!!

It will be at least 2 years before Bulgaria or Romania join the EU. Serbia & Montenegro will be about 10 years, as will Bosnia, they aren't even candidates yet. I don't think Europe will ever allow Turkey to join the EU.

On the Ireland link:
That is not governmental aid from USA. That is an Irish-American organisation kind of like the ones who have been paying the IRA their wages for the last 25 years.
If those morons want to give me money then I'll forward them my address - I can add the donations to my $70,000 a year salary. I might buy some sweets with it or something.

Edit:
MESSAGE TO ALL - I think that we all owe afocullions/morecullions a +1 karma for highly enjoyable debate. I for one have been hugely entertained, waiting in eager anticipation for the next poorly thought-through, off-the-cuff, self-defeating argument he posts. HOORAY FOR MORECULLIONS!!!

PS If you want to play the education card afrocullions/morecullions then just to let you know that I have a first class honours bachelor degree in mechanical engineering. I have five years experience working for the transmission network planning department of the Irish National Electricity Grid (Eirgrid) and have travelled widely to various parts of the globe. My interests are current affairs, modern history, politics, psychology, travel and wiping the floor with you in debates.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2006-06-01 09:21:59)

2006-06-01 09:57:10
morecullions
Member
+5|6796
ignoramus ? i prefer nimcumfuckingpoop

Bulgaria's objective is EU membership in 2007; the Thessaloniki Summit Conclusions in 2003 as well as the Brussels Summit Conclusions of June 2004 states that the EU supports these objectives. The Brussels European Council of December 17 2004 confirmed the conclusion of accession negotiations with Bulgaria, welcoming it as a member on January 1, 2007.

they are not OFFCIALLY a member but they ARE officially going to be as you see in  6 months.  same thing for romania

The conclusions of the European summit of December 2004 supports Romania's accession for 2007. The European Council also considered that Romania will be able to assume all the obligations of membership at the envisaged time of its accession, provided that it continues its efforts to that end and completes all necessary reforms and commitments undertaken, in particular important commitments regarding Justice, 'Competition' and Environment.

bosnia is in negotiaons and if thery are admitted it will be around 2010 .. thats 4 years not 10 ...serbia is slated for 2012 croatia 2008

the fact that you live there and have misconceptions about the status makes you a nimcumfuckingpoop

i could care less about karma this account should be banned soon enough
2006-06-01 10:28:31
Sh1fty2k5
MacSwedish
+113|6966|Sweden
Who cares? They're not members today, and that's what matters.
2006-06-01 10:43:42
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6811

morecullions wrote:

ignoramus ? i prefer nimcumfuckingpoop

Bulgaria's objective is EU membership in 2007; the Thessaloniki Summit Conclusions in 2003 as well as the Brussels Summit Conclusions of June 2004 states that the EU supports these objectives. The Brussels European Council of December 17 2004 confirmed the conclusion of accession negotiations with Bulgaria, welcoming it as a member on January 1, 2007.

they are not OFFCIALLY a member but they ARE officially going to be as you see in  6 months.  same thing for romania

The conclusions of the European summit of December 2004 supports Romania's accession for 2007. The European Council also considered that Romania will be able to assume all the obligations of membership at the envisaged time of its accession, provided that it continues its efforts to that end and completes all necessary reforms and commitments undertaken, in particular important commitments regarding Justice, 'Competition' and Environment.

bosnia is in negotiaons and if thery are admitted it will be around 2010 .. thats 4 years not 10 ...serbia is slated for 2012 croatia 2008

the fact that you live there and have misconceptions about the status makes you a nimcumfuckingpoop

i could care less about karma this account should be banned soon enough
It's funny that morecullions is criticising someone else for misconceptions. lol

At least you have conceded that you were wrong with your Bulgaria and Romania assertions. It takes a big man to swallow his pride and admit defeat.
2006-06-01 11:00:49
OSS-CAPT-SPEIRS
Member
+13|6988|Orange County, CA
Oh yeah, if the EU is so cool then explain to me why the Eurofighter in Euro Force can't fly good or shoot well?
F-15 and J-10 rock!
2006-06-01 11:18:14
morecullions
Member
+5|6796
no i didnt bulgaria and romania are acceding members of the EU ... MEMBERS ...bascially a trial period where they have to do somethin wrong to get KICKED OUT

you are wrong that they are not members wrong that it will be 2 years till they sign an accord and wrong that the yugoslav states will be members in 10 years
2006-06-01 11:24:34
DonFck
Hibernator
+3,227|6887|Finland

OSS-CAPT-SPEIRS wrote:

Oh yeah, if the EU is so cool then explain to me why the Eurofighter in Euro Force can't fly good or shoot well?
F-15 and J-10 rock!
Well isn't that just RELEVANT!

Sorry.. I'll get my coat..






*leaves*
I need around tree fiddy.
2006-06-01 11:28:27
CameronPoe
Member
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morecullions wrote:

no i didnt bulgaria and romania are acceding members of the EU ... MEMBERS ...bascially a trial period where they have to do somethin wrong to get KICKED OUT

you are wrong that they are not members wrong that it will be 2 years till they sign an accord and wrong that the yugoslav states will be members in 10 years
The yugoslavian nations have not completed negotiations and would have to satisfy a large number of criteria before they can actually accede, if accepted as a potential member. This process could take 3 years, it could take 10 years, it could take forever.

Bulgaria and Romania will not officially become members of the EU until the date you specified earlier. So - they are NOT FULL MEMBERS OF THE EU. Is that so hard to understand? Why would we EU countries operate travel restrictions against Romanians and Bulgarians if that weren't the case? You make me laugh morecullions. You're so illogically intransigent.


Edit:
Excerpt from the Irish Foreign Affairs website -
TRANSIT VISAS ARE REQUIRED BY CITIZENS OF THE FOLLOWING:
AFGHANISTAN, ALBANIA, BULGARIA, CUBA, DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF CONGO,
ETHIOPIA, ERITREA, YUGOSLAVIA/SERBIA AND MONTENEGRO, GHANA, IRAN, IRAQ,
LEBANON, MOLDOVA, NIGERIA, ROMANIA, SOMALIA, SRI LANKA, ZIMBABWE.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2006-06-01 11:36:07)

2006-06-01 11:45:57
morecullions
Member
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did i say full members ? acceeding members .....members

now go ahead and admit you were wrong about when they become FULL members ... you said 2 years and its 6 months .. theres plenty of logic behind my intransigency mostly factual information. another example croatia will be a member in 2008 latest 2010 thats 1.5 - 3.5 years ...not 10 like you said.

its cool tho its really minor stuff nothing like that retarded douche above you who thinks hitler and stalin were going to take over the world.
2006-06-01 11:49:06
Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|7022|UK

morecullions wrote:

did i say full members ? acceeding members .....members

now go ahead and admit you were wrong about when they become FULL members ... you said 2 years and its 6 months .. theres plenty of logic behind my intransigency mostly factual information. another example croatia will be a member in 2008 latest 2010 thats 1.5 - 3.5 years ...not 10 like you said.

its cool tho its really minor stuff nothing like that retarded douche above you who thinks hitler and stalin were going to take over the world.
lol
i provide evidence and about 4 other people agree.
you have no evidence and no one supports your opinion. Now for the last time, provide some evidence or admit you are wrong.

And your wrong if they arent members they arent members, otherwise they would be on the list of members, you muppet.
2006-06-01 11:59:17
CameronPoe
Member
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morecullions wrote:

did i say full members ? acceeding members .....members

now go ahead and admit you were wrong about when they become FULL members ... you said 2 years and its 6 months .. theres plenty of logic behind my intransigency mostly factual information. another example croatia will be a member in 2008 latest 2010 thats 1.5 - 3.5 years ...not 10 like you said.

its cool tho its really minor stuff nothing like that retarded douche above you who thinks hitler and stalin were going to take over the world.
I admit that Bulgaria and Romania will become members on said date not what I had previously stated which was just an assumption and approximation, hence the reason I said 'about' 2 years.

Acceeding members are not members. That's what accession is about - once you have completed accession then you're a member.

Analogous Example: Someone who is acceeding to the throne is not the king until accession is complete.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2006-06-01 12:05:29)

2006-06-01 12:38:15
morecullions
Member
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dude noone back up your ridiculous made up shit that stalin was going to ally with hitler ..only one dude who posted the non agression pact which is not relevant.

i can give you a dozen links where it says that stalin insinuated a cease fire and never ever considered to re-ally. the fact that you still think that shit is halarious ..you should know youre wrong. cameronpoe seems like a fairly intelligent person and you with your ridiculous fantasy history makes you retarded as fuck.

*edit* how about you cameron ? you think 3 years after the nonagression pact and after hitler had attacked and brutalised the civilian population and humliated the russian people that stalin frustrated with the allies slow pace considered to ally with hitler and then dominate the world ?

Last edited by morecullions (2006-06-01 12:41:37)

2006-06-01 12:52:00
DonFck
Hibernator
+3,227|6887|Finland

Why are you so hostile, afrocullions?

Really?

It bothers me.

Have you had issues not being taken seriously in the past? Do you always state your opinions in such a manner?

This is no "FU-comment", but rather a simple request from a quite riddled individual, so that he could understand your, apparently extremely frustrated mind a bit better..

Last edited by DonFck (2006-06-01 13:21:21)

I need around tree fiddy.
2006-06-01 13:19:09
CameronPoe
Member
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morecullions wrote:

dude noone back up your ridiculous made up shit that stalin was going to ally with hitler ..only one dude who posted the non agression pact which is not relevant.

i can give you a dozen links where it says that stalin insinuated a cease fire and never ever considered to re-ally. the fact that you still think that shit is halarious ..you should know youre wrong. cameronpoe seems like a fairly intelligent person and you with your ridiculous fantasy history makes you retarded as fuck.

*edit* how about you cameron ? you think 3 years after the nonagression pact and after hitler had attacked and brutalised the civilian population and humliated the russian people that stalin frustrated with the allies slow pace considered to ally with hitler and then dominate the world ?
I'm not gonna enter into that argument - I've read a lot of world war II history but it's been a while and I haven't been following the thread of your other argument. A lot of world war II history is very much open to conjecture anyway.
2006-06-01 14:29:03
Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|7022|UK

morecullions wrote:

dude noone back up your ridiculous made up shit that stalin was going to ally with hitler ..only one dude who posted the non agression pact which is not relevant.

i can give you a dozen links where it says that stalin insinuated a cease fire and never ever considered to re-ally. the fact that you still think that shit is halarious ..you should know youre wrong. cameronpoe seems like a fairly intelligent person and you with your ridiculous fantasy history makes you retarded as fuck.

*edit* how about you cameron ? you think 3 years after the nonagression pact and after hitler had attacked and brutalised the civilian population and humliated the russian people that stalin frustrated with the allies slow pace considered to ally with hitler and then dominate the world ?
rather than "say" you have loads of links SHOW THEM OR SHUT UP!
2006-06-01 15:04:43
morecullions
Member
+5|6796
cameron my question was straightfoward i suspect you just dont want to agree with me on anything ..being that you are a self proclaimed history major you must be fully aware of this scenario...but its cool

heres a site that talks specifically about your conspiracy theory that stalin wanted to ally with hitler

http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pag … ?pageid=55

I believe the Allies would have been remiss (based on what was known then, not now) in not considering the possibility of Hitler and Stalin finding terms for a ceasefire. Hitler, for example, could have offered Stalin strategic withdrawal to the Bug River. By 1944-45, of course, Hitler had nothing left to tempt Stalin.         

It's easy now to understand in hindsight that no German-Soviet accord was possible in 1943: but I think that Stalin's loyalty to them was a huge concern for Roosevelt and Churchill up until the third or fourth quarter of 1943, and that they worried over keeping him in the war. I believe "Unconditional Surrender" kept everyone planning for the same outcomes and reminded the leaders that they shared common goals. I believe it shortened the war. Can anyone seriously imagine the Allies having productive talks with Hitler or Tojo?
now i can find a dozen others but i dont have any interest spending more time proving something i know to be a fact just to correct some midget brained conspiracy theory douchebag

you have yet to prove anything but book titles .. how about you post a credible site that backs up your fairy tale contentions

Last edited by morecullions (2006-06-01 15:07:42)

2006-06-01 15:15:50
Slam
Member
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dudes. i live on a usa air base in europe(RAF Lakenheath, UK) and i can tell right off the back the last time we provided aid to Europe was at the end of WW2. There are no aid shit to acually to any country in the europe. congress and bush does all that. All we(the bases) do is provide training, education, and point of view of the world instead of being stuck in the usa and saying "You suck, US owes all". thats why people like me have a better future and shit than u people stuck over there. although i must may it rains like HELL in the uk, but germany kicks ass and so does japan. NO drinking age in germany lol(well there is one, but they dont enforce it lol!). but w/e the 3 bases im by now dont provide shit to anybody except us!! who ever started this thread must check themselfs. probably the ONLY bases that provide aid are the naval bases here. AIR FORCE and military bases dont provide shit to anyone. and they are closing bases down slowly. Last base i was at was in Germany, and they are palnning to close it. IF the base im on right now closes it will become londons 4th airport but like i give a shit anyway.....(and it takes time to close a base not 2 years, not 5 years, more around 10years to clear people, things, supplies, warcraft, and ect.)
2006-06-01 15:19:38
Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|7022|UK

morecullions wrote:

cameron my question was straightfoward i suspect you just dont want to agree with me on anything ..being that you are a self proclaimed history major you must be fully aware of this scenario...but its cool

heres a site that talks specifically about your conspiracy theory that stalin wanted to ally with hitler

http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pag … ?pageid=55

I believe the Allies would have been remiss (based on what was known then, not now) in not considering the possibility of Hitler and Stalin finding terms for a ceasefire. Hitler, for example, could have offered Stalin strategic withdrawal to the Bug River. By 1944-45, of course, Hitler had nothing left to tempt Stalin.         

It's easy now to understand in hindsight that no German-Soviet accord was possible in 1943: but I think that Stalin's loyalty to them was a huge concern for Roosevelt and Churchill up until the third or fourth quarter of 1943, and that they worried over keeping him in the war. I believe "Unconditional Surrender" kept everyone planning for the same outcomes and reminded the leaders that they shared common goals. I believe it shortened the war. Can anyone seriously imagine the Allies having productive talks with Hitler or Tojo?
now i can find a dozen others but i dont have any interest spending more time proving something i know to be a fact just to correct some midget brained conspiracy theory douchebag

you have yet to prove anything but book titles .. how about you post a credible site that backs up your fairy tale contentions
the least you can do i provide 2 or 3 others seeing as i offered you about 7 books with the theory that i believe and anyway thats what it comes down to, Theory's therefore you self-righteous comment in the first place has just created an unnessecary arguement. Tbh im not interested in talking about this, there is no right or wrong and im happy that you have finally put forward some evidence that supports your view, but thats all it is a view, so stop trying to claim your right all the time.

Im just gunna watch cameron rip you apart on something that is FACT.
2006-06-01 18:20:17
CameronPoe
Member
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Lads it's a bank holiday weekend here in Ireland and I've been boozing heavily tonight and intend to keep boozing for the weekend (I'm going back home to the countryside and my parents internet connection is a shitty telephone one) so I'll be gone until monday. If this is still going I'll comment then. Ciao! Or as we say in Irish:
'Slán go dtí Dé Luain!'.
2006-06-01 18:30:25
morecullions
Member
+5|6796
thats your probelm moron these arent thoeries they are documented historical facts.. and all you did was name some books you claim you found that information in ... how about some proof i can see ? it doesnt exist except maybe on some conspiracy theory bullshit. why cant you provide some hard facts i can see ? this is the fuckin internet if youre talkin about facts then its easily enough found .. i tried its not out there dumbass.
2006-06-02 00:08:43
Sh1fty2k5
MacSwedish
+113|6966|Sweden

morecullions wrote:

thats your probelm moron these arent thoeries they are documented historical facts.. and all you did was name some books you claim you found that information in ... how about some proof i can see ? it doesnt exist except maybe on some conspiracy theory bullshit. why cant you provide some hard facts i can see ? this is the fuckin internet if youre talkin about facts then its easily enough found .. i tried its not out there dumbass.
What the fuck, you haven't provided shit for us, you start ffs
2006-06-02 02:55:36
Nemessis1982
Member
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HM1{N}

I am Australian and have been a member of the Australian Army for 6 years working in Communications.  During this 6 years I have worked with Coalition Forces of several nations on Operations with Iraq, Afghanistan and currently East Timor and on Joint Exercises.  Further to that as I specialize in IT I have a lot of contact with Americans through training courses and software development trials etc.

My views as expressed are based purely on my experience and observations of Americans as INDIVIDUALS and AS A WHOLE.
2006-06-02 03:14:20
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7097|Cologne, Germany

seems like the discussion has strayed away from the original topic, hasn't it ?

why are we discussing EU membership and WWII issues now ?

I would ask everyone here to at least try to keep a level head and refrain from personal attacks and insults.
Those are generally not useful if you want to back up an argument and are bound to damage your reputation in the long run. People will stop taking you seriously if you swear to much.

Also, it might get you banned...

now, as far as the topic is concerned, I do believe it is obvious the US stopped giving financial aid to Europe a long time ago. why would we need it anyway ?

As far as the US military bases are concerned, those were implemented after WWII to counter the growing communist threat and to give NATO a basis for operations in Europe, should the cold war ever turn into a hot one. Fortunately, this didn't happen.

these days, a lot of them have already been closed, and the rest is used for aircraft operations / supply chain management in the War on Terror
2006-06-02 03:49:22
Xietsu
Banned
+50|6812
Even with my early comments in this thread (about such an issue being in the hands of the administration, and not, particularly, in that of the plain citizen), I personally would keep quite a range of them open as to allow for a window of dynamism for potential, hypothetical altercations of the future.
2006-06-02 04:05:48
HM1{N}
Member
+86|6900|East Coast via Los Angeles, CA

Nemessis1982 wrote:

HM1{N}

I am Australian and have been a member of the Australian Army for 6 years working in Communications.  During this 6 years I have worked with Coalition Forces of several nations on Operations with Iraq, Afghanistan and currently East Timor and on Joint Exercises.  Further to that as I specialize in IT I have a lot of contact with Americans through training courses and software development trials etc.

My views as expressed are based purely on my experience and observations of Americans as INDIVIDUALS and AS A WHOLE.
Ahh, well my Australian brother, I urge you to go back and really think about your generalized and stereotypical comments...the words of a few do not speak for the many.

Have you actually SERVED in Iraq?

 

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