Kaosdad
Whisky Tango Foxtrot?
+201|6907|Broadlands, VA
OK - this might get complex....

I Am A Christian Man.  I believe in God The Father Almighty, The Maker of Heaven & Earth.  I believe in His Son and my Saviour; Jesus Christ Almighty.  I believe & live by the 10 Commandmanents as given to Moses.

I'll let that all sink in.


I also believe that God will appear to each & every Man, Woman & Child in a form that will make sense to them.  And "God" may mean "God", "Allah", "Jahweh", "Buddah", "Krishna" or "Cheese".

**YOU** will seek a morality & set of "laws" by which to lead **your** life.  As long as those laws follow this one basic "Law": "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you."


Simplistic?  Yes, very.  For a reason - everyone can follow it.  Do YOU want to be killed for a pair of athletic shoes?  Do you want YOUR funeral disrupted for **any**reason?  Prolly not.  So why piss on another person to make yourself look good?

I repeat: I Am A Christian Man.  I believe in God The Father Almighty, The Maker of Heaven & Earth.  I believe in His Son and my Saviour Jesus Christ Almighty.  I believe & live by the 10 Commandmanents as given to Moses.

This woman, her family & her "faith" make sick to my stomach, my heart & my soul.

May God have mercy on her soul.  Follow YOUR soul!


Peace!
=|A mere Shadow|=
The Anarchist
+121|6854|Britain and Damn proud of it!

-=>cSc<=-*RunDje*cT| wrote:

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

-=>cSc<=-*RunDje*cT| wrote:

yeah wonder if they have brains at all who protest with that kind of things
total idiots they are, i mean wtf... its a fucking funeral, sum1 died in iraq. reminds me of those ppl in wow that trashed a funeral...
Did you see that face, can't stand it
That smile is the smile Cherie Blair, AKA Satan and should be cast out from civilization to a place where not even the sex-crazed Hobos would touch her...
i would also go on a massive rant, however, i have just taken these sleeeping piiilllsssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6903|Canberra, AUS
How about we make a topic for people who should be jailed/executed/deported to the asteroid 433 Eros (it exists!) for being TEH DICKHEADS?

All members of 'God hates Fags', 'God hates America' and 'God hates <insert something here>' go on the top of the list.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|6893|NT, like Mick Dundee

Janysc wrote:

I'm actually more infuriated by the two "interviewers" who won't let her talk. They only want to throw shit at her, and while I can understand this, what is then the purpose of inviting her to talk on television if they only interrupt her?

The Bible and Christianity today do not mix. Sodoma was burnt, and the men there were all gay. It says on black and white that men should rule over women. Thieves can only be punished at night; if you punish them the day after the crime, you are to be stoned.

She is a true Christian, which is the same as a fundamentalist Christian, but if religion is not treated with a fundamentalist attitude, you are not praciticing a religion, you are only plucking out the parts you like. It's okay with me, but if there is a god, I don't suppose he/she/it is very happy over the fact that people do not follow his scriptures to the word.

In my humble opinion, religion today does not work anymore.
Religion does work... Look at money... It is the modern religion.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|6964|Salt Lake City

I wonder how self righteous she would feel if her father sold her into slavery, which is condoned in the Bible.  I'm also willing to bet that the clothes she was wearing are not of pure cloth.  the Bible says wearing clothing made of mixed material is a sin.
Torin
Member
+52|6920
I love religious extremists!

If it weren't for people like this, you might be able to think that religion actually deserves some kind of credibility.
RAIMIUS
You with the face!
+244|6943|US
If you are going to quote or mention any religious text, please reference it.

"the Bible says wearing clothing made of mixed material is a sin."  Where does it say that?  I am willing to bet it was a metaphor.

Yeah, she's nuts.  She would not even answer his questions, just rant off on some incoherent topic of hate.  I hate it when people go around preaching things in contradiction with organizations they claim to be part of.
Miller
IT'S MILLER TIME!
+271|6984|United States of America

RAIMIUS wrote:

"the Bible says wearing clothing made of mixed material is a sin."  Where does it say that?  I am willing to bet it was a metaphor.
Just to help who said that, it is somewhere in Leviticus(or however you spell it)
No 1 Gooner
coopj Dependant
+98|6800|England
Man that made me so angry i had to turn it off! im glad the news reporter was giving it to her though,over here they would have just reported it,if you know what i mean! fucking bitch.
oStoneRo
Member
+9|6870
the most ironic thing about it is those soldier that are dying over there and that are supposedly "sending us all to hell" are over there fighting to give people the right to say fucked up bullshit like that. and ive got a question for her, what happens when my religous beliefs which are not christian in any form turns out on the day of judgement, which will never happen anyway, to be the right way and here she has been the one sinning all this time, well im sure she'll say thats not possible and that her beliefs are the true beliefs well then i say "excatly my point"
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|6964|Salt Lake City

RAIMIUS wrote:

If you are going to quote or mention any religious text, please reference it.

"the Bible says wearing clothing made of mixed material is a sin."  Where does it say that?  I am willing to bet it was a metaphor.

Yeah, she's nuts.  She would not even answer his questions, just rant off on some incoherent topic of hate.  I hate it when people go around preaching things in contradiction with organizations they claim to be part of.
Leviticus 19:19 basically says don't let your cows breed with other species of cow, don't mix your crops in the fields, and don't wear clothes made from a mixture of linen and wool.

Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.
ATC
Member
+58|6972|...

Kaosdad008 wrote:

OK - this might get complex....

I Am A Christian Man.  I believe in God The Father Almighty, The Maker of Heaven & Earth.  I believe in His Son and my Saviour; Jesus Christ Almighty.  I believe & live by the 10 Commandmanents as given to Moses.

I'll let that all sink in.


I also believe that God will appear to each & every Man, Woman & Child in a form that will make sense to them.  And "God" may mean "God", "Allah", "Jahweh", "Buddah", "Krishna" or "Cheese".

**YOU** will seek a morality & set of "laws" by which to lead **your** life.  As long as those laws follow this one basic "Law": "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you."


Simplistic?  Yes, very.  For a reason - everyone can follow it.  Do YOU want to be killed for a pair of athletic shoes?  Do you want YOUR funeral disrupted for **any**reason?  Prolly not.  So why piss on another person to make yourself look good?

I repeat: I Am A Christian Man.  I believe in God The Father Almighty, The Maker of Heaven & Earth.  I believe in His Son and my Saviour Jesus Christ Almighty.  I believe & live by the 10 Commandmanents as given to Moses.

This woman, her family & her "faith" make sick to my stomach, my heart & my soul.

May God have mercy on her soul.  Follow YOUR soul!


Peace!
Well said my friend, well said.
pers0nah
Waste Kid
+271|6811|MANCHESTERRR
Wow, not much u can say to that. *Pulls out M95 and goes hunting for that twisted bitch*
one_of_ten
Member
+7|6884|Brussels, Belgium
Remember one of  Murphy's Law : "Never argue with a fool, people might not know the difference"

BTW, religious extremists of all kinds are just ridiculous by themselves, it gets dangerous when normal people stop looking at porn on the internet and listens to them.
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|6964|Salt Lake City

one_of_ten wrote:

Remember one of  Murphy's Law : "Never argue with a fool, people might not know the difference"

BTW, religious extremists of all kinds are just ridiculous by themselves, it gets dangerous when normal people stop looking at porn on the internet and listens to them.
+1 for a no doubt post!
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|6964|Salt Lake City

You know, just for good measure, I just read all of Leviticus.  Do you realize that the first 9 chapters are dedicated to describing what animals were to be sacrificed, how they were to be sacrificed, when they were to sacrificed, what do with them after the sacrifice, what part of the sacrifices could be eaten, and when they could be eaten; several sacrifice notations are made at several other points throughout Leviticus.

Leviticus even says that a woman that has a child is "unclean" and describes how many days she must remain away from everyone, and the sacrifices that must be made at the end of that period before she is considered "clean" again.

If you removed all the Leviticus entries, so you didn't know it was the Bible, it would sound more like a Satanic ritual.

Last edited by Agent_Dung_Bomb (2006-05-09 10:11:42)

-F8-Scotch
Member
+43|6798
Religion like that of the Gay Haters is what ruins real compassion in the world today.

Christian Fundys = Islamic Fundys

Only Christian Fundys haven't blown anyone up lately...except a few abortion clinics and Doctors.

Religion isn't an opiate of the masses, in fact Religion itself really isn't faith. Faith is the inner quest for answers to all questions, these cannot be given or taught but realized by the seaker.

These folks protesting the funeral of US servicepersons deserve more than they'll ever recieve. I'd like to salute the Bikers who are out chanting these wingnuts with respectfull phrases which show solidarity against in tolerance. While freedom of speech should be supreme, hate and intolerance have no place in a society based on acceptance of what is different.

On a quick "Levitical Law" note...If you take an honest approach to what leveiticus was in context of the time, say several thousand years before Jesus, it reads like a manual on how not to loose what advances the Judaic culture had made. "Lie not with a man, as you would a woman", yeah..there'll be a lot of babies being born if men were to try and procreate with men..pretty basic if you ask me. "Cast out any who have sores" (or something like that), there are a lot of "laws" based on illness, it's pretty obvious there was some conception of infection in ancient culture. Then there are all of the sacrafical rites which no one follows anymore.

What's my point with levitcal law 001? It is pointless, there's no real reason to literally interpret any part of the bible anymore. The earth is a hell of a lot older than 3000 years, we don't need to protect a fledgling culture in the same fashion anymore and while it is necessary to consider overindulgence in our lives we certainly shouldn't expect the tales of Soddom and Gamorra, Moses and the Arc or any other of the oldest stories to be scientific or factual in any context. Any major geophysical event would have been determined to be "acts of god" in 2000BC. Let's focus on Jesus, being that he is what "Christianity" is named after, who taught compassion and subservience, who made it abundently clear that $ isn't where it's at, who altered the outlook of man as a species by describing community life and acceptance of differences.

"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." <-----Isn't just a Christian thing, it's a human thing.

Scotch
cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|6924|NJ
Thanks to the internet and some resourcefulness here is her address and phone numbers...

Brent and Shirley Roper
3640 SW Churchill Rd
Topeka, KS 66604
785-273-7262
785-273-0277
785-273-1080


OK I had to do it there is the phelps clan info. Have fun with it.
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|6964|Salt Lake City

-F8-Scotch wrote:

Religion like that of the Gay Haters is what ruins real compassion in the world today.

Christian Fundys = Islamic Fundys

Only Christian Fundys haven't blown anyone up lately...except a few abortion clinics and Doctors.

Religion isn't an opiate of the masses, in fact Religion itself really isn't faith. Faith is the inner quest for answers to all questions, these cannot be given or taught but realized by the seaker.

These folks protesting the funeral of US servicepersons deserve more than they'll ever recieve. I'd like to salute the Bikers who are out chanting these wingnuts with respectfull phrases which show solidarity against in tolerance. While freedom of speech should be supreme, hate and intolerance have no place in a society based on acceptance of what is different.

On a quick "Levitical Law" note...If you take an honest approach to what leveiticus was in context of the time, say several thousand years before Jesus, it reads like a manual on how not to loose what advances the Judaic culture had made. "Lie not with a man, as you would a woman", yeah..there'll be a lot of babies being born if men were to try and procreate with men..pretty basic if you ask me. "Cast out any who have sores" (or something like that), there are a lot of "laws" based on illness, it's pretty obvious there was some conception of infection in ancient culture. Then there are all of the sacrafical rites which no one follows anymore.

What's my point with levitcal law 001? It is pointless, there's no real reason to literally interpret any part of the bible anymore. The earth is a hell of a lot older than 3000 years, we don't need to protect a fledgling culture in the same fashion anymore and while it is necessary to consider overindulgence in our lives we certainly shouldn't expect the tales of Soddom and Gamorra, Moses and the Arc or any other of the oldest stories to be scientific or factual in any context. Any major geophysical event would have been determined to be "acts of god" in 2000BC. Let's focus on Jesus, being that he is what "Christianity" is named after, who taught compassion and subservience, who made it abundently clear that $ isn't where it's at, who altered the outlook of man as a species by describing community life and acceptance of differences.

"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." <-----Isn't just a Christian thing, it's a human thing.

Scotch
Well, even the new testament has some pretty harsh things to say.  Just quickly starting at the beginning.

Isaiah 13:15-18

13:15  Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword.    
13:16 Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.
13:17 Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it.   
13:18 Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eyes shall not spare children.
Quick translation means that the women will be raped, and the children will not be spared.
-F8-Scotch
Member
+43|6798
Yeah, but wouldn't that be similar to them heckling the soldiers funeral? They yell stuff, we yell much more funny, less volatile stuff...eventually someone is going to get in trouble or go to jail. There's got to be a more creative way.

By no means am I trying to persuade anyone from NOT doing...whatever it is...that you might be thinking of doing. After the "Do unto others talk.." it's simply my position that there has to be a better way, although it does say "eye for an eye"....


Scotch
cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|6924|NJ
Hey I was just acting as the white pages, someone might have wantted to join them?
-F8-Scotch
Member
+43|6798
Let your fingers do the walking?

I'm sure there are people who think the same way, which on a basic level is fine by me. Therein lies part of the "Freedom of Speech" malfunction. "Freedom from speech" might be a bit more appropriate. If these folks were taking thier grievences out like most other groups, KKK and Skinheads included, by voicing thier dissent at the capitol building or some other less direct place I doubt there'd be the same backlash.

I'll quantify my next statement by saying this: I believe abortion to be a societal problem, people in real distress vs. after the fact contraception. A child should never simply be discarded for petty reasons or to avoid responsibility. Victims of rape, incest and other heinous acts deserve an out. Late term abortions should never be considered as an option regardless of the circumstance. If anyone has to wait 5 months before a: realizing thier pregnant or b: deciding they would rather not carry the child, then I think they are planning to abort the wrong human being. Obviously there are always exceptions to the rule, which is why I believe abortion to be a necessary "evil" while at the same time actually saving lives including the future life of the unborn. Contraception works, abstinance is a fool's theory unless coupled with options....I digress.

Last summer there was a troope of folks "expressing" thier freedom of speech by trapping everyone who came through one of the busiest intersections in town with placards and anti-abortion chants. Children were most likely exposed to visuals that I don't believe anyone should ever bear witness to. Many rolled up thier windows, some reved thier engines to drown out the mindnumbing blather with most simply trying desperately to ignore what was being forced upon them. While thier message was carried loud and clear I can't help but believe they hurt thier cause more than anything else.

There is something scary about the basic idea that people, such as the gay hating funeral yellers, even exsist. Sooner or later they'll disappear, but the scars they have inflicted upon families of servicepersons killied in the line of duty don't fall from memory nearly as fast. Ultimately it'll be more effort on the behalf of those who dislike these methods for things to change so that there are forums for debate allowing the "freedom from speech" for thier targets.

Scotch
cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|6924|NJ
Scotch,

I really hate to say it but one of the main reasons things like this happen in this day and age, is an overwhelming police force. These people wouldn't have tried to pull shit like this 10-20 years ago. Why? because they would have gotten there ass whiped and rightly so. Now a days if someone where to approach such groups who throw stuff down your face in a violent way, that person would be thrown in jail and the courts would be on the protesters side.

Now the only reason I bring this up, is that some of our laws are just getting riduculas. In a case like that where you got people protesting servicemens funeral, you need just to let the family and friends have free reign on that. They are emotionally assulting those poor people who just lost someone close to them and the law shouldn't be protecting them. I'm sure they need permits to carry out the Protest, and in these cases the town needs to say "NO".
krazed
Admiral of the Bathtub
+619|7008|Great Brown North

krazed wrote:

bahahaha yes god destroyed space shuttle columbia because america is dirty.... fuckwits

anyone who disrespects a funeral, let alone a military funeral should be shot in the face with rock salt
i got a negative karma for this.....



You're a moron...that's all I can really say.




that was my reason, wtf? did someone think i was SERIOUS?  im confused and thanks for not leaving your name, coward
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6790

Skruples wrote:

Ugh. As much as I hate Hannity and Colmes, this is one of the few times I dont mind them insulting their interviewee. Believing in God is all well and good, but when you use God to justify your own ridiculous beliefs you go too far...
Like that gays are unnatural?  Or that sinners go to hell?  Christianity is someons "own ridiculous beliefs".

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