Let me rephrase:
One of the things distinguishing abortion from murder is legality. In morality, there is very little difference. I am reasonable enough to see exceptions. If somebody is trying to kill you, then you are obligated to kill them first. Likewise (though more tragic), if a pregnancy has a good chance of killing the mother, then she should be allowed to decide for herself whether or not she wants to take that chance. What I don't agree with is people going in for abortions several times a year because they don't want to stop having sex. I view that as a selfish and horrid thing. And the male can easily put a stop to it with a vasectomy (or, more modernly, deferentectomy). And no, it won't make him sing alto, fold his underwear, grow breasts or go 'googoo-eyed' at anything perceived as cute.
The labelling of unborn children as 'inhuman things' is a dangerous mindset, as it opens similar portals to other development features stripping away human value from individuals in the public mindset. Retardation? Just kill 'em. They won't know the difference. What about non-mental deformities? Well, they'll be miserable anyway. Why not just enact a eugenics clause into the constitution?
UnOriginalNuttah wrote:
unnamednewbie13 wrote:
UnOriginalNuttah wrote:
Reading through this thread I see many people with similar opinions to my own, but here's the way I look at it:
I think that you can't outlaw abortion because people will do it themselves. A bottle of gin and hot bath is the classic, or there's the coathanger technique, not to mention that consuming every drug you can get your hands on to the borderline of overdose does the trick. In my opinion it's not right to pass laws which make people resort to these inhumane backstreet methods. I'm pro-abortion for humanitarian reasons.
Pretty much like saying that you can't outlaw murder because people will do it anyway. Plenty of evidence there.
Maybe we should just have government-funded murder houses where people can go kill their victims in a safer, cleaner fashion rather than in back alleys with a rusty knife. For humanitarian reasons, of course. And then bodies could just be thrown away like so much dog crap.
I'm trying to understand your view point, but I just can't see any connection between abortion and your analogy.
But let's assume that a fetus can be considered a human being and not simply a fetus, and make a slightly different comparison: There are plenty of forms of legalised killing, the only difference between a soldier killing and an abortion is whether or not the law chooses to
see it as murder. If killing in self defence was declared illegal tomorrow, a soldier doing their job would be at high risk of being unfairly charged with murder. Obviously that would be ridiculous, and place them in great risk of life imprisonment for no good reason. A bit like forcing women to risk severe internal bleeding, infection and infertility by outlawing them for making very hard decisions which will affect the rest of their life.
But let's assume your comparison stands, and take this example: A woman doesn't know she is pregnant, and continues a lifestyle which leads to the premature abortion of the pregnancy, is that then manslaughter? Maybe we should ban women from drinking and smoking once they hit puberty, just to be on the safe side.
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SFCCDailey wrote:
Isn't it funny how most of the damn conservative assholes that are against abortion are for the death penalty??? Kinda makes you wonder about these smacktards. And I personlly don't think MEN including myself have the right to have any say in this matter what so ever!
You say 'MEN' like it's a bad thing...
Anyway, murderers have had their chance to contribute to society. Infants have not. Saying that abortion is a womens' issue only because men don't get pregnant is like like saying that nobody should interfere with genocide, if it isn't their own country.
cpt.fass1 wrote:
Is pro-life or anti abortion a way for the christians and religous folks to make the apcolipse(spl I know) happen?
Um...what?
But aside from whatever that question was, pro-life/pro-choice are misnomers. It's pro-abortion and anti-abortion, folks, despite media efforts to pad the issue.
Now, I'm going to sit back and merrily receive yet another -5 karma points from this thread.
Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2006-04-26 15:42:39)