Poll

Do you think " some " Rapper Shootings are Staged / Faked ?

Yes34%34% - 13
No21%21% - 8
All5%5% - 2
None7%7% - 3
Most18%18% - 7
Few10%10% - 4
Half2%2% - 1
Total: 38
Horseman 77
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Do you think some " Rapper Shootings " are Staged / Faked ?

It just seems to me there are  so " Few Fatality's "

thinking a little outside the Box

1. When someone gets shot ( in a hit ) and doesn't die, its usually the exception. Correct ? 

2. It seems an awful lot of these types survive " hits " and  It propels them to instant fame and fortune.

3. Clearly The Motive is there.

4. These people  Barely get hurt. ( tupac , biggie. who else ever died? )

5. I had one friend who was a target of a hit. ( We think?, he wouldn't say.)
    He was in an Intensive Care Unit for well over eight years.

6. I know I could easily stage a shooting with a negligible risk of death if I had the targets co-operation.

7. I know I could easily complete a successful hit.
Burning_Monkey
Moving Target
+108|7058
Well, the difference is that I have the balls, and skill to walk up and put a bullet into some one's snotlocker.

I don't need to go by in my fly hoopty and spray the entire hood with lead from my gat.
Erkut.hv
Member
+124|6956|California
Or, it could be the fact that most shitheads who engage in gang type violence couldn't hit the broad side of a barn, so they have little chance of hitting a kill spot (head or major internal organ, femoral artery, etc...).

Instance, dumbasses who try too look hard by holding their pistol sideways at head level, acting like they'd be able to shoot something with any chance of achieveing accuracy/precision.
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6895|Canberra, AUS
Uhhh.... what's the difference between 'Yes' and 'All'?

Or 'No' and 'None'?

I just put most. Seems the most logical answer as there are FEW fatalities. Not NO fatalities.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
The_Fighting_69th
Combat medic
+6|6974
gonna have to say that those people are horrible marksmen so I believe that they are real.  It is possiable that some have been faked but I doubt it.
UON
Junglist Massive
+223|6874
I think details are very rarely exaggerated to increase popularity, and that Horseman_77's theory that hits are arranged with the victims consent to get famous is based on his hatred of the genre and jealousy of their success.

If you want to convince anyone who doesn't already think like you, then why don't you post some information on specific incidents that you think have been faked and why you think that?
Horseman 77
Banned
+160|7058

UnOriginalNuttah wrote:

I think details are very rarely exaggerated to increase popularity, and that Horseman_77's theory that hits are arranged with the victims consent to get famous is based on his hatred of the genre and jealousy of their success.

If you want to convince anyone who doesn't already think like you, then why don't you post some information on specific incidents that you think have been faked and why you think that?
Actually I dont " hate the genre " Jealous ? sorry, I am not. Nor am I trying to change peoples opinions.     

    Infact what I was doing was Asking for opinions. I was asking if anyone had ever heard of a shooting where some one did Die? I only know of two and I listed them. I am starting to think you would argue with a street sign. Please dont not try and speak for me, you have enough trouble making yourself understood. If you can, try and Re-Read what I said.

Last edited by Horseman 77 (2006-04-09 13:59:54)

Kimosabe-sa
Member
+11|6910|Port Elizabeth, South Africa
I couldn't care less the more rapers that die the better i sleep at nite
Horseman 77
Banned
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Spark wrote:

Uhhh.... what's the difference between 'Yes' and 'All'?

Or 'No' and 'None'?

I just put most. Seems the most logical answer as there are FEW fatalities. Not NO fatalities.
I did say " Are some Faked ?"  you could have answerd " Yes " meaning Some are.
Or you could have Answerd " All " meaning all are faked. where did we lose you?
UON
Junglist Massive
+223|6874

Horseman 77 wrote:

UnOriginalNuttah wrote:

I think details are very rarely exaggerated to increase popularity, and that Horseman_77's theory that hits are arranged with the victims consent to get famous is based on his hatred of the genre and jealousy of their success.

If you want to convince anyone who doesn't already think like you, then why don't you post some information on specific incidents that you think have been faked and why you think that?
Actually I dont " hate the genre " Jealous ? sorry, I am not. Nor am I trying to change peoples opinions.     

    Infact what I was doing was Asking for opinions. I was asking if anyone had ever heard of a shooting where some one did Die? I only know of two and I listed them. I am starting to think you would argue with a street sign. Please dont not try and speak for me, you have enough trouble making yourself understood. If you can, try and Re-Read what I said.
What part of i think don't you understand.  You put your opinion that that there are deliberately faked shootings because if you were the hitman you wouldn't miss.  You've openly stated this in another thread, remember?

Horseman 77 wrote:

I really think a lot of Rapper shootings are staged.
Since you felt strongly enough to start an entire thread on the subject, I took a guess at your motive.  So what are your motives, if I'm wrong?

Anyway, here's a few of the fallen soldiers:

Mac Dre
Fat Tone
Jam Master Jay
Jay Dee AKA J Dilla
DJ Scott LaRock
Tarus Jackson (who was the newest member of The Coup, my all time favourite hip hop group)

Now, who are the victims of these non-fatal publicity stunt shootings you are talking about?
UON
Junglist Massive
+223|6874

Kimosabe-sa wrote:

I couldn't care less the more rapers that die the better i sleep at nite
You know we're talking about rappers, not rapists, right? 

On a side note:

Props to Prophets of da City, respect goes out to all South African Hip Hop artists.  Keep fighting the ignorance.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6872|USA

UnOriginalNuttah wrote:

Horseman 77 wrote:

UnOriginalNuttah wrote:

I think details are very rarely exaggerated to increase popularity, and that Horseman_77's theory that hits are arranged with the victims consent to get famous is based on his hatred of the genre and jealousy of their success.

If you want to convince anyone who doesn't already think like you, then why don't you post some information on specific incidents that you think have been faked and why you think that?
Actually I dont " hate the genre " Jealous ? sorry, I am not. Nor am I trying to change peoples opinions.     

    Infact what I was doing was Asking for opinions. I was asking if anyone had ever heard of a shooting where some one did Die? I only know of two and I listed them. I am starting to think you would argue with a street sign. Please dont not try and speak for me, you have enough trouble making yourself understood. If you can, try and Re-Read what I said.
What part of i think don't you understand.  You put your opinion that that there are deliberately faked shootings because if you were the hitman you wouldn't miss.  You've openly stated this in another thread, remember?

Horseman 77 wrote:

I really think a lot of Rapper shootings are staged.
Since you felt strongly enough to start an entire thread on the subject, I took a guess at your motive.  So what are your motives, if I'm wrong?



Anyway, here's a few of the fallen soldiers:

Mac Dre
Fat Tone
Jam Master Jay
Jay Dee AKA J Dilla
DJ Scott LaRock
Tarus Jackson (who was the newest member of The Coup, my all time favourite hip hop group)

Now, who are the victims of these non-fatal publicity stunt shootings you are talking about?
and good riddance..........


why are you listening to this hip hop killa cop shit anyway unorginalnuttah?? ,shouldn't you be sitting around a campfire smoking weed and singing Kumbayah some fuckin place??
Kimosabe-sa
Member
+11|6910|Port Elizabeth, South Africa
Argh you just like everyone else, jeez as soon as someone loths some about you scream  ignorance!, its called taste. All of ours are different. jesus man. The problem with hip hop, is that it is only face value, you cant see any thing deeper than what there is. But with rock, there is but a universe of meanings. Think the solo in all along the watch tower, or dire straits brothers in arms. There solos tell more of a story than any fast talking, i get far to much money for looking like a dick, i'm in it in the money and nothing else hip hop artist.
UON
Junglist Massive
+223|6874

lowing wrote:

and good riddance..........


why are you listening to this hip hop killa cop shit anyway unorginalnuttah?? ,shouldn't you be sitting around a campfire smoking weed and singing Kumbayah some fuckin place??
Fuck you, you ignorant piece of shit.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6872|USA

UnOriginalNuttah wrote:

lowing wrote:

and good riddance..........


why are you listening to this hip hop killa cop shit anyway unorginalnuttah?? ,shouldn't you be sitting around a campfire smoking weed and singing Kumbayah some fuckin place??
Fuck you, you ignorant piece of shit.
LOL good one......boy your 159 IQ is shining bright.
UON
Junglist Massive
+223|6874

lowing wrote:

UnOriginalNuttah wrote:

lowing wrote:

and good riddance..........


why are you listening to this hip hop killa cop shit anyway unorginalnuttah?? ,shouldn't you be sitting around a campfire smoking weed and singing Kumbayah some fuckin place??
Fuck you, you ignorant piece of shit.
LOL good one......boy your 159 IQ is shining bright.
You want to say good riddance when I post a list of murder victims, then there is only one answer for something like that:

Fuck you, you ignorant piece of shit.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6872|USA

UnOriginalNuttah wrote:

lowing wrote:

UnOriginalNuttah wrote:


Fuck you, you ignorant piece of shit.
LOL good one......boy your 159 IQ is shining bright.
You want to say good riddance when I post a list of murder victims, then there is only one answer for something like that:

Fuck you, you ignorant piece of shit.
Ohhhhh I am sorry, did these poor victims get killed while sitting in church?......I have no room in my heart for street thugs and gangstas of any color. there attempt to glamourize such behavior is destructive to the moral fiber of this country and should not be condoned. And if they want to "off" each other over stupid shit, then I say better them than an innocent bystander.
UON
Junglist Massive
+223|6874

lowing wrote:

Ohhhhh I am sorry, did these poor victims get killed while sitting in church?......I have no room in my heart for street thugs and gangstas of any color. there attempt to glamourize such behavior is destructive to the moral fiber of this country and should not be condoned. And if they want to "off" each other over stupid shit, then I say better them than an innocent bystander.
Do you know the circumstances?  No.  Let's take the last example, the member of the anti-war hip hop group The Coup.  He was a peaceful man, a family man.  He happened to be involved with a conscious hip hop group, who were by no means rich from the hard work they put into their music. 

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Robbers kill man inside his home
Victim, 36, pistol-whipped and shot after he is approached by pair outside West Oakland house seeking cash

FROM STAFF REPORTS


OAKLAND — Robbers pistol-whipped and then shot to death a West Oakland man Tuesday morning, moments after threatening one of his relatives to force him to reveal where his cash was, police said.


"It looks like he didn't move fast enough, so they killed him," homicide Sgt. Phil Green said.

Slain was Tarus Jackson, 36, also known as Terrance Jackson, who police said was a "hype man" for The Coup, a widely known West Oakland rap group he joined a year ago.

Police said Jackson was outside his home in the 800 block of Wood Street just before 7 a.m. when he was confronted by the two armed robbers and forced back inside.

"He was definitely the target," Green said. "They had good reason to believe he had a sizable amount of money inside."

Green said the robbers demanded money from Jackson. It was not until they threatened to kill another person in the house that Jackson finally told them where some money was.

The assailants got a large amount of cash, but Green would not say how much.

Before leaving, the robbers ordered Jackson to lie on the floor. When he apparently did not move fast enough for them, he was pistol-whipped and shot, Green said.

No one else was injured, and Jackson was pronounced dead at Highland Hospital at 7:53 a.m.Green said Jackson's duties with The Coup included getting the audience primed for their performance. Relatives told police he returned Thursday from a three-week, 36-city tour, Green said.

Green said that before joining the group, Jackson worked at a car rental agency. He left after being injured on the job.

Jackson's killing was the city's 75th homicide of the year.

Police and Crime Stoppers of Oakland are offering up to $12,000 in reward money for information leading to the suspects' arrest. Anyone with information can call police at 510-238-3821 or Crime Stoppers at 510-238-6946.

Again to say the least this is a sad day for Bay Area Hip Hop. I did speak with Paris yesterday and he was shocked. Also in the mix was Paris' artist T-Kash who was also a hype man for the Coup. People thought he was the one who had been killed..
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6872|USA

UnOriginalNuttah wrote:

lowing wrote:

Ohhhhh I am sorry, did these poor victims get killed while sitting in church?......I have no room in my heart for street thugs and gangstas of any color. there attempt to glamourize such behavior is destructive to the moral fiber of this country and should not be condoned. And if they want to "off" each other over stupid shit, then I say better them than an innocent bystander.
Do you know the circumstances?  No.  Let's take the last example, the member of the anti-war hip hop group The Coup.  He was a peaceful man, a family man.  He happened to be involved with a conscious hip hop group, who were by no means rich from the hard work they put into their music. 

-------------------------
Robbers kill man inside his home
Victim, 36, pistol-whipped and shot after he is approached by pair outside West Oakland house seeking cash

FROM STAFF REPORTS


OAKLAND — Robbers pistol-whipped and then shot to death a West Oakland man Tuesday morning, moments after threatening one of his relatives to force him to reveal where his cash was, police said.


"It looks like he didn't move fast enough, so they killed him," homicide Sgt. Phil Green said.

Slain was Tarus Jackson, 36, also known as Terrance Jackson, who police said was a "hype man" for The Coup, a widely known West Oakland rap group he joined a year ago.

Police said Jackson was outside his home in the 800 block of Wood Street just before 7 a.m. when he was confronted by the two armed robbers and forced back inside.

"He was definitely the target," Green said. "They had good reason to believe he had a sizable amount of money inside."

Green said the robbers demanded money from Jackson. It was not until they threatened to kill another person in the house that Jackson finally told them where some money was.

The assailants got a large amount of cash, but Green would not say how much.

Before leaving, the robbers ordered Jackson to lie on the floor. When he apparently did not move fast enough for them, he was pistol-whipped and shot, Green said.

No one else was injured, and Jackson was pronounced dead at Highland Hospital at 7:53 a.m.Green said Jackson's duties with The Coup included getting the audience primed for their performance. Relatives told police he returned Thursday from a three-week, 36-city tour, Green said.

Green said that before joining the group, Jackson worked at a car rental agency. He left after being injured on the job.

Jackson's killing was the city's 75th homicide of the year.

Police and Crime Stoppers of Oakland are offering up to $12,000 in reward money for information leading to the suspects' arrest. Anyone with information can call police at 510-238-3821 or Crime Stoppers at 510-238-6946.

Again to say the least this is a sad day for Bay Area Hip Hop. I did speak with Paris yesterday and he was shocked. Also in the mix was Paris' artist T-Kash who was also a hype man for the Coup. People thought he was the one who had been killed..
Gee, I just went and looked them up, read some lyrics of theirs as well........Can't seem to muster a tear yet.

Last edited by lowing (2006-04-09 18:03:27)

UON
Junglist Massive
+223|6874
Bet you wouldn't like it if I said what you said about people in the army:

lowing wrote:

if they want to "off" each other over stupid shit, then I say better them than an innocent bystander.
But I'm not sick in the head enough to celebrate any killings, or say good riddance they knew what they had coming.  I feel sorry for their families and the people they leave behind, not to mention the fact that nobody deserves to die.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6872|USA

UnOriginalNuttah wrote:

Bet you wouldn't like it if I said what you said about people in the army:

lowing wrote:

if they want to "off" each other over stupid shit, then I say better them than an innocent bystander.
But I'm not sick in the head enough to celebrate any killings, or say good riddance they knew what they had coming.  I feel sorry for their families and the people they leave behind, not to mention the fact that nobody deserves to die.
Nope, some people deserve to die sorry. People in the military, if they have to kill, it is defending something. (like your freedom) Ganstas kill for "benjamins", drugs, power. etc...........shame on you for comparing the 2
UON
Junglist Massive
+223|6874

lowing wrote:

UnOriginalNuttah wrote:

Bet you wouldn't like it if I said what you said about people in the army:

lowing wrote:

if they want to "off" each other over stupid shit, then I say better them than an innocent bystander.
But I'm not sick in the head enough to celebrate any killings, or say good riddance they knew what they had coming.  I feel sorry for their families and the people they leave behind, not to mention the fact that nobody deserves to die.
Nope, some people deserve to die sorry. People in the military, if they have to kill, it is defending something. (like your freedom) Ganstas kill for "benjamins", drugs, power. etc...........shame on you for comparing the 2
You really have no idea what it's all about, do you?
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6872|USA

UnOriginalNuttah wrote:

lowing wrote:

UnOriginalNuttah wrote:

Bet you wouldn't like it if I said what you said about people in the army:


But I'm not sick in the head enough to celebrate any killings, or say good riddance they knew what they had coming.  I feel sorry for their families and the people they leave behind, not to mention the fact that nobody deserves to die.
Nope, some people deserve to die sorry. People in the military, if they have to kill, it is defending something. (like your freedom) Ganstas kill for "benjamins", drugs, power. etc...........shame on you for comparing the 2
You really have no idea what it's all about, do you?
Funny I was thinking the same thing about you...........but if you care to take a chance and trip over your own dick again, be my guest and tell me what it is alllllllllll about.

Last edited by lowing (2006-04-09 19:22:03)

Horseman 77
Banned
+160|7058

UnOriginalNuttah wrote:

lowing wrote:

UnOriginalNuttah wrote:


Fuck you, you ignorant piece of shit.
LOL good one......boy your 159 IQ is shining bright.
You want to say good riddance when I post a list of murder victims, then there is only one answer for something like that:

Fuck you, you ignorant piece of shit.
159 IQ lol when it hits 50 he should sell !
UON
Junglist Massive
+223|6874

Horseman 77 wrote:

UnOriginalNuttah wrote:

lowing wrote:


LOL good one......boy your 159 IQ is shining bright.
You want to say good riddance when I post a list of murder victims, then there is only one answer for something like that:

Fuck you, you ignorant piece of shit.
159 IQ lol when it hits 50 he should sell !
So, I see that you have ignored the 6 additional fatal shootings of hip hop artists and chosen to just attack my response to lowings inflammatory ignorance of saying "good riddance" at murder victims without being aware of the circumstances (which I am particularly sensitive to due the fact that I have lost several friends to gangland violence who did not deserve to die).  If you want to say good riddance, then I will say "Fuck You Too".

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