Actually, if you listen to his lectures you would take what he says very seriously. The problem is that he wants the black community to stand up for itself and quit blaming racism for all of its problems. His message is totally contrary to what the other black "leaders" like Jesse Jackson preach.cpt.fass1 wrote:
Now whose going to take Bill Cosby seriously? That would be like having Arnold Swarzinager(spl) as a govern, it's sounds cool but it's just not a good idea.wannabe_tank_whore wrote:
Bill Cosby is trying but his message falls on deaf ears.cpt.fass1 wrote:
True, about the TV but a good portion of Television is targeted to white people so we really don't need a "white channel" I guess is my point.
I've never even heard of a Miss Black America pagent, just looked it up. Well your right about it there is no "miss white pagant", but it doesn't mean there couldn't be. I belive that this Segragation, has good points and bad points. I'm a very tollerent Person and the good points that I can see is that it's lifting up the Black community. The bad points is that it's causing segragation which great leaders work long and hard to get ride of. Now as much as I hate to say it, the black community really needs a strong leader, they haven't had one Since MLK. There are still alot of issues regarding that, but we are talking about homo's.
Poll
Whats your Opinion on Homosexuality?
| Don't really care | 32% | 32% - 71 | ||||
| Fine with me | 38% | 38% - 83 | ||||
| All [i]gays[/i] burn in hell, lesbiens are OK with me | 20% | 20% - 44 | ||||
| There all Evil and Disgusting | 8% | 8% - 18 | ||||
| Total: 216 | ||||||
here in Norway the Bishop has recomended all gays to go to a doctor and get themselves fixed up... Well, I can understand that gays can't get married in church, because it is against the bibel, but you should be able to get married "non-religously"
Yeah but the difference between a leader and an entertainer with a message is the difference of ghandi(who devoted himself to a cause) and Charlie Sheen(he's the one talking about the 9/11 consperiacy theory right?).
Thats affirmative action for ya, a good idea in theory but it often gets taken too far.lowing wrote:
Well the titles of the porn mags are "universal".......it isnt white guy porn magazine. the gay magazines are...."Gay Times", "Gay Chicago Magazine"..........It is the same double standard with blacks and hispanics. I have to allow BET or Black Entertainment Television. But, If I started WET, White Entertainment Television, I am a racist. They have black miss America, Ebany magazine, Jet magazine, the blacks and hispanics both have specific entertainment awards, their own chamber of commerce. the damn list goes on and on. Make no mistake, if any of these programs existed targeting straight white people, or white people only, it would be hounded as racist.
I know I will read a bunch of shit about me being racist just for making this point.
bottom line stop fighting for equal treatment by demanding special treatment.
There is a subtle difference between beastiality and homosexuality that you omit; the notion of consent. Two men rooting each other up the arse is an act which involves desire and consent by BOTH men. In a case of beasiality, we can't communicate with animals and so can't establish, for example, whether or not a goat wants to get it on. Chances are it doesn't. Not only that, but we have no way of gauging animal maturity levels and thus determining an appropriate age of consent. In essence, you're comparing an act of rape, that of beasiality, to an act of mutual consent.lowing wrote:
I will say this as well, homosexuality will never be mainstream, or even accepted by society as a whole in America, simply because the thoughts of 1 man engaging in sexual intimacy with another is repulsive to most of us. Based on the statements here, you could also make the same arguement for people who engage in bestiality.
1. They just want to treated the same as everyone else.
2. It isn't their fault and they didn't choose it, so it must be natural.
I am using the extreme of bestiality to prove a point. Do what the hell ever you want, nobody gives a shit, just stop trying to put it in my face and tell me that some guy pounding some other guy in the ass, or blowing him is a beautiful expression of love and caring for each other. Gimme a break
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Are you saying it's an instinct?Spearhead wrote:
Did you choose to be straight? Did god ask you when you were 4, hey, wannabe_tank_whore, when you grow up, do you wanna f^&k men or women?wannabe_tank_whore wrote:
Can anybody debate that homosexuality is a choice and not a gene? I hear gene more and more these days.
Since when has jesse jackson been a leader?cpt.fass1 wrote:
Yeah but the difference between a leader and an entertainer with a message is the difference of ghandi(who devoted himself to a cause) and Charlie Sheen(he's the one talking about the 9/11 consperiacy theory right?).
That's what I'm saying the balck community needs a strong leader they haven't had one for quite some time.
Basically, this is about Homosexuality, not race
And I know that homosexuality is not a gene, because both my parents are "straight", and always have been, in fact, I'm afraid to tell my parents because they seem to be kind of homophobic
I am so openly homosexual because, well:
-I am in college, and if I openly express my "preferences", the horny frat boys mostly stay away
-My brother's girl-fearing nerd friends are more comfortable around me because they know I won't hit on them, and they won't hit on me (especially my brother, because my g/f, who he likes, is 19, my brother is 16)
-I feel no reason to hide it, hetero people are open about there gender-preferances
-I am downright SICK of guys asking me if I have a boyfriend
The only time I'm not open about it is when I'm around my parents, I just tell my parents that the person who is my g/f is my friend (and they believe me!)
And I want to clarify something: My g/f and I have more of a romantic relationship, I have had too many of those "one night stand" type things, my g/f is, in fact, very shy, we've known eachother for a month now, and the lowest amount of clothing I have seen her in was a tank-top and boxer-shorts
And I like her very much, she looks like that kind of geek-type high-school girl type, she and my brother are also pretty good friends, my brother just has a secret crush on her, they both, strangely, have braces and glasses, well...my g/f just got her braces removed, but still has glasses, and she is NOTHING like the lesbien stereotype
And I know that homosexuality is not a gene, because both my parents are "straight", and always have been, in fact, I'm afraid to tell my parents because they seem to be kind of homophobic
I am so openly homosexual because, well:
-I am in college, and if I openly express my "preferences", the horny frat boys mostly stay away
-My brother's girl-fearing nerd friends are more comfortable around me because they know I won't hit on them, and they won't hit on me (especially my brother, because my g/f, who he likes, is 19, my brother is 16)
-I feel no reason to hide it, hetero people are open about there gender-preferances
-I am downright SICK of guys asking me if I have a boyfriend
The only time I'm not open about it is when I'm around my parents, I just tell my parents that the person who is my g/f is my friend (and they believe me!)
And I want to clarify something: My g/f and I have more of a romantic relationship, I have had too many of those "one night stand" type things, my g/f is, in fact, very shy, we've known eachother for a month now, and the lowest amount of clothing I have seen her in was a tank-top and boxer-shorts
And I like her very much, she looks like that kind of geek-type high-school girl type, she and my brother are also pretty good friends, my brother just has a secret crush on her, they both, strangely, have braces and glasses, well...my g/f just got her braces removed, but still has glasses, and she is NOTHING like the lesbien stereotype
That's why I kept saying stay on target. Do you have some normal street cloth pictures to throw away those sterotype thing. I don't think the majority of the gays and lesbians are like the few who do want to force it down your thoat. I have to think that most people have had the gay guy say shit like "you might be gay, how you would you know you haven't tried it yet" to them and took great offense to it. I have had that conversation and it works out the same as the fat unattrative girl saying the same thing. If your not into it your not into it, if you are it's your choice and who knows why we make most our choices.
Simply because your parents are not homosexual does not mean homosexuality is not genetic. There are two aspects of inheritance that are important, the genes that are passed down from your parents (genotype), and the way those genes manifest (phenotype). While it is true that noone has yet proved that homosexuality is based on genes, if it is it is most likely a recessive gene, meaning it would have to be passed down from both parents for the gene to be expressed.
For example, lets say your parents both carry the 'gay gene' or G. because there are two of these alleles in every person, each of your parents would have to be Gg, or one instance of recessive and one dominant allele. When your parents had you, both would have had to pass on the g gene, so you would be 'gg', and thus the gene would express itself.
Of course, that is a very simplistic explanation, as homosexuality (if indeed it is controlled genetically) is most likely caused by the interaction of many different genes, not just one.
Someone correct me if my interpretation of genetic inheritance is incorrect.
For example, lets say your parents both carry the 'gay gene' or G. because there are two of these alleles in every person, each of your parents would have to be Gg, or one instance of recessive and one dominant allele. When your parents had you, both would have had to pass on the g gene, so you would be 'gg', and thus the gene would express itself.
Of course, that is a very simplistic explanation, as homosexuality (if indeed it is controlled genetically) is most likely caused by the interaction of many different genes, not just one.
Someone correct me if my interpretation of genetic inheritance is incorrect.
I dunno, if the horse didn't enjoy getting blown by a chick i would think he wouldn't be showing his 4 foot cock and he would run away lmao.Pubic wrote:
Thats affirmative action for ya, a good idea in theory but it often gets taken too far.lowing wrote:
Well the titles of the porn mags are "universal".......it isnt white guy porn magazine. the gay magazines are...."Gay Times", "Gay Chicago Magazine"..........It is the same double standard with blacks and hispanics. I have to allow BET or Black Entertainment Television. But, If I started WET, White Entertainment Television, I am a racist. They have black miss America, Ebany magazine, Jet magazine, the blacks and hispanics both have specific entertainment awards, their own chamber of commerce. the damn list goes on and on. Make no mistake, if any of these programs existed targeting straight white people, or white people only, it would be hounded as racist.
I know I will read a bunch of shit about me being racist just for making this point.
bottom line stop fighting for equal treatment by demanding special treatment.There is a subtle difference between beastiality and homosexuality that you omit; the notion of consent. Two men rooting each other up the arse is an act which involves desire and consent by BOTH men. In a case of beasiality, we can't communicate with animals and so can't establish, for example, whether or not a goat wants to get it on. Chances are it doesn't. Not only that, but we have no way of gauging animal maturity levels and thus determining an appropriate age of consent. In essence, you're comparing an act of rape, that of beasiality, to an act of mutual consent.lowing wrote:
I will say this as well, homosexuality will never be mainstream, or even accepted by society as a whole in America, simply because the thoughts of 1 man engaging in sexual intimacy with another is repulsive to most of us. Based on the statements here, you could also make the same arguement for people who engage in bestiality.
1. They just want to treated the same as everyone else.
2. It isn't their fault and they didn't choose it, so it must be natural.
I am using the extreme of bestiality to prove a point. Do what the hell ever you want, nobody gives a shit, just stop trying to put it in my face and tell me that some guy pounding some other guy in the ass, or blowing him is a beautiful expression of love and caring for each other. Gimme a break
Like horses have a choice on wearing clothing...
'Gays' are wrong, you have something mentally wrong with you if you are Homosexual. We are 'designed' to reproduce.. with the OPPOSITE SEX! ... So for your brain to recognise your own sex as what you like to get your rocks off with, must have taken some drop at birth to make you think that way.
and dont give me and BS about, "moon, your such a bitch how can you say stuff like that" - I couldnt give two f***'s
This is all I have to say on the matter.
and dont give me and BS about, "moon, your such a bitch how can you say stuff like that" - I couldnt give two f***'s
This is all I have to say on the matter.
Well moon that's your opionion and I'm sure your not running around all the gays yelling that at them are you? I haven't put to much thought into the whole where do gays come from, because I really don't care about other peoples lives that much.
I have actually confronted a few Gay people that I know about that, didn't get much of a responce. but you are right, it is my opinion, (and im not saying its right either - I'm sure a lot of people don't aggree with it)
Gay people that you know? or friends that are gay?
No, not friends, just people I know from going out on the Lash etc
By that same logic, anyone who does not have children on purpose, or who abstains from sex completely is also mentally ill. After all, if "We are 'designed' to reproduce", then not reproducing is basically the same as being homosexual (as far as fulfilling our 'design' is concerned).
great, so go fuck your boyfriend just stop telling me I NEED to accept it as normal behavior.Skruples wrote:
By that same logic, anyone who does not have children on purpose, or who abstains from sex completely is also mentally ill. After all, if "We are 'designed' to reproduce", then not reproducing is basically the same as being homosexual (as far as fulfilling our 'design' is concerned).
Do people choose to be a child molester? Cuz it has been around for as long as humans as well, is it a choice or a sickness? you tell me cuz I have no clue. either way it is still a fucked up practice, and I don't want to have it in my face,or condone it
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Did I say I was homosexual? No, and as a matter of fact I find it sort of gross, just as you say you do. That does not mean I do not condone the behavior, because I frankly just don't care what gay people do to each other in private. As for the homosexuals who feel the need to parade it in front of everyone, well, I ignore them, and seeing as how I live near San Francisco I probably see alot more of it than you.lowing wrote:
great, so go fuck your boyfriend just stop telling me I NEED to accept it as normal behavior.Skruples wrote:
By that same logic, anyone who does not have children on purpose, or who abstains from sex completely is also mentally ill. After all, if "We are 'designed' to reproduce", then not reproducing is basically the same as being homosexual (as far as fulfilling our 'design' is concerned).
Do people choose to be a child molester? Cuz it has been around for as long as humans as well, is it a choice or a sickness? you tell me cuz I have no clue. either way it is still a fucked up practice, and I don't want to have it in my face,or condone it
As for child molesters, I have no seen evidence that it is purely genetic, but it definitely a sickness. One that is essentially incurable, given the almost 100% recidivism rates for ex-child molesters. I'm not sure if you were trying to draw a connection between pedophilia and homosexuality, but I sure hope not...
NO i wasn't trying to make that connection. 2 adult guys doing each other is far different from raping a kid. Not even close.Skruples wrote:
Did I say I was homosexual? No, and as a matter of fact I find it sort of gross, just as you say you do. That does not mean I do not condone the behavior, because I frankly just don't care what gay people do to each other in private. As for the homosexuals who feel the need to parade it in front of everyone, well, I ignore them, and seeing as how I live near San Francisco I probably see alot more of it than you.lowing wrote:
great, so go fuck your boyfriend just stop telling me I NEED to accept it as normal behavior.Skruples wrote:
By that same logic, anyone who does not have children on purpose, or who abstains from sex completely is also mentally ill. After all, if "We are 'designed' to reproduce", then not reproducing is basically the same as being homosexual (as far as fulfilling our 'design' is concerned).
Do people choose to be a child molester? Cuz it has been around for as long as humans as well, is it a choice or a sickness? you tell me cuz I have no clue. either way it is still a fucked up practice, and I don't want to have it in my face,or condone it
As for child molesters, I have no seen evidence that it is purely genetic, but it definitely a sickness. One that is essentially incurable, given the almost 100% recidivism rates for ex-child molesters. I'm not sure if you were trying to draw a connection between pedophilia and homosexuality, but I sure hope not...
I never said you were a homosexual although rereading my post I can see how you would draw that assumption. What I meant was YOU as in generally, the gay community.
And you are right I don't care what they do in private either, so stop with gay grab ass in public and gay parades and shit cuz I don't wanna see it, and I don't want my 2 young sons to see it either.
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What are you doing watching that sort of stuff anyway?lowing wrote:
I dunno, if the horse didn't enjoy getting blown by a chick i would think he wouldn't be showing his 4 foot cock and he would run away lmao.
well, I don't know wether homosexuality is caused by genes or other influences ( hormon imbalance, social things ), but my guess would be that there is a certain predisposition for homosexuality which is stronger in some than in others.
In the end it is most likely a combination of a multitude of factors. Interestingly, it seems to be something that can "develop" inside a person, which means that even older men can become homosexuals, even after having lived heterosexual lifes for decades. Others may feel homosexual from childhood on.
to be honest though, it is not something which is of great interest to me, mainly because it is a non-factor in my family and among my friends. No homosexuals among any of those ( at least none that I know of ).
That's why I haven't felt the need to really think about it up to now.
But I have seen documentaries about animals and it seems to exist in the animal world also.
In the end it is most likely a combination of a multitude of factors. Interestingly, it seems to be something that can "develop" inside a person, which means that even older men can become homosexuals, even after having lived heterosexual lifes for decades. Others may feel homosexual from childhood on.
to be honest though, it is not something which is of great interest to me, mainly because it is a non-factor in my family and among my friends. No homosexuals among any of those ( at least none that I know of ).
That's why I haven't felt the need to really think about it up to now.
But I have seen documentaries about animals and it seems to exist in the animal world also.
lol ok bustedPubic wrote:
What are you doing watching that sort of stuff anyway?lowing wrote:
I dunno, if the horse didn't enjoy getting blown by a chick i would think he wouldn't be showing his 4 foot cock and he would run away lmao.
Allow me:Skruples wrote:
Simply because your parents are not homosexual does not mean homosexuality is not genetic. There are two aspects of inheritance that are important, the genes that are passed down from your parents (genotype), and the way those genes manifest (phenotype). While it is true that noone has yet proved that homosexuality is based on genes, if it is it is most likely a recessive gene, meaning it would have to be passed down from both parents for the gene to be expressed.
For example, lets say your parents both carry the 'gay gene' or G. because there are two of these alleles in every person, each of your parents would have to be Gg, or one instance of recessive and one dominant allele. When your parents had you, both would have had to pass on the g gene, so you would be 'gg', and thus the gene would express itself.
Of course, that is a very simplistic explanation, as homosexuality (if indeed it is controlled genetically) is most likely caused by the interaction of many different genes, not just one.
Someone correct me if my interpretation of genetic inheritance is incorrect.
Evolution would disprove the gay gene theory based on survivability. No procreation = no survivability. And the gene then wouldn't be passed down.Skruples wrote:
or in other words causes that change to become more common, as it increases survivability. "or more likely it decreases the chances of survival (leading to the organisms death, and the extinction of that genetic line)" In other words eliminates or reduces negative changes, because they reduce survivability. I'm not sure how I can make that any simpler...
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