Bloody_Eye
Member
+0|6882
Ok, first of all, I love Battlefield 2. I'd give it a 95 if I reviewed it. And I very much like Special Forces, too. Battlefield 2 is my favorite game right now.

So here I am writing a review for Euroforces, and the Euroforces maps make me want to slit my writs. Playing them -- from The Great Wall of Tanks to Tank Quarry and even to Operation Tank Screen -- for just an hour made me want to slit my wrists. They're like Kubra Damn to the tenth f*ing power, everybody is in a vehicle, and I just can't bear it. Every single map is the same massive tank, heli, jet, and APC retardation-fest; the 20% of people who can't get a vehicle are consequently horribly raped repeatedly, seeming to make the very cool new small arms rather pointless (I say this after having driven a tank about 90% of the time).

Now, it's true that if you like sprawling vehicular combat maps, you'll love the expansion. But don't we have a ton of unpopular and homogenous maps like that already? If you like them, that's good for you. The expansion isn't low quality, nor are the maps; if endless vehicle zergs are up your alley, they will be fun, but for those of us who find that as fun as wallowing in a septic tank. Well.

I don't know how I'm going to stomach these god-awful suicidally terrible maps in an expansion that otherwise has cool vehicles and weapons long enough just to write the damn review. I just post here to see if anybody else feels the same way. I guess misery loves company and admittedly, you aren't seeing me at my best.

Cheers (And I'm going to go play some damn Karkand until I can cool out some -- to be fair, if you love vehicles, EF is up your alley),

Bloody_Eye

Last edited by Bloody_Eye (2006-03-18 12:48:29)

wraparoundww
Member
+-1|6893|Cleveland, OH
Why not take on something a little more challenging than Karkand for a change?  You can't be too aggressive if you're not in a tank on the EF maps.  Sometimes you have to play smarter.  Hop on the mg, get kills that way and hope your driver is skilled enough and you can rack points that way.  Also, flanking works quite well on EF maps.


I hate tank battles just as much the next guy but if I don't get oneright away I tend to be more cautious, and maybe spawn as secondary/class like AT to blast them.



Good luck hope to see you back on EF soon.
Bloody_Eye
Member
+0|6882
Hey mate,

Appreciate it, glad not to get flamed. I agree that you have to play better as an infantryman to do OK, but mainly because you're horribly outclassed if you don't have a vehicle.

It's easy to get really frustrated with this expansion when you're a natural-born medic, not a tank driver... not that I'm a bad tank driver, I actually know all the tricks, it's just that it's unviable not to get wheels in EF and it's not what I enjoy the most. I think I'm going to try to give the maps a full-blown 64-player run and maybe that will change my opinion some.

Last edited by Bloody_Eye (2006-03-18 13:03:38)

Cubefreak666
I kill you in future, too
+34|6860|Germany
play Great wall on 16 player, tabara quarry is tanking everytime.
Dsn1239
Member
+0|6978
Have to agree  it was carnage.  EA Missed a trick

Heaven knows what armoured fury going to like.

Each person riding two tanks astride?
Knochenmann_AUT
Member
+1|6954
Also agree. Way to much tanks everywere. What is a snper rifle good for if everybody is in a tank?

Ok, Euro Forces may be the counterpart to the infantry heavy SF Maps... but 12 tanks on a 16 player map (tabula) is no fun at all.
Wasder
Resident Emo Hater
+139|6903|Moscow, Russia
When a map with NO vehicles (or maybe just hummvees and vodniks) comes out, I'll gladly buy EF.

Last edited by Wasder (2006-03-19 02:08:56)

General_CoLin_Tassi
Member
+-2|6928|England, UK
Euro force is a good game. Only £5.99 ffs. I like all the maps. When there are lots of tanks, go AT kit. Simple.
StormEye
Sniper
+50|6873|Malibu
Great Wall is a good map, if you like infantry fights, stay on the walls, there are tons of infantry only actions.
Also, since I'm a sniper, I get to snipe a lot of people in this map. I am so happy that I am 762nd place as Sniper Rifle user. So jappy that I broke that 1000th place barrier. Top 100 here I come.
ShowMeTheMonkey
Member
+125|6930
So is Euro Force worth buying for £5.99! Someone please tell me!
GnashersMate
Squeal piggy! Squeal!
+10|6883|The Greatest Country on Earth!
yes
Vic42
Member
+2|6951|Sacramento, California
Great Wall on 32 player has choke points for vehicles where they go through the wall. Just mine the hell out of them, and have an antitank welcoming committee to back up the mines. Now that tanks and APCs can't just shoot the AT mines, they are very effective at blocking enemy vehicle traffic.
FubarJonny
bUdSMoKEr
+47|6917
yea there really isnt im not much on a big map player like i hardly play like dragon valley for example but i love euro force the new change in sceneery and i love the EU weapons DANK!!!!!!!!  but yea on the only solution is to play great wall i have had some pretty heavy fire fights in the 32 person map but well hope to see all you guy on EU
Fschwang
Member
+10|6940|Isle of Man, next to England.
"Also agree. Way to much tanks everywere. What is a snper rifle good for if everybody is in a tank?"

Agree, sniper rifles are useless, but Anti-Tank rockets are not. Not to sound like a moany old geezer (I'm only 18 an' all) but why does everyone forget about the Anti-Tank class? Yes there's lots of tanks, that's what the class with the hand-held Anti-Tank weapon is used for. When I'm on the ground it amazes me to see masses of snipers/ medics charging around, but no AT troops if you don't count myself. Why? AT rockets are a wee bit underpowered against tanks, but surely the new patch hasn't made winging medikits/ claymores a more effective tactic to deal with them has it? That won't come until at least patch 1.3..... I expect someone will probably come back with a witty reply that makes me look all silly, still, that's life.

P.S: That wasn't aimed specifically at Kochenmann, but more at he various people I see on a regular basis whining that they're being raped by tanks, but still respawning as sniper/medic. Perhaps they are the sound based weapons the military is supposedly developing?
coldfyre99
Member
+-2|6856

Fschwang wrote:

"Also agree. Way to much tanks everywere. What is a snper rifle good for if everybody is in a tank?"

Agree, sniper rifles are useless, but Anti-Tank rockets are not. Not to sound like a moany old geezer (I'm only 18 an' all) but why does everyone forget about the Anti-Tank class? Yes there's lots of tanks, that's what the class with the hand-held Anti-Tank weapon is used for. When I'm on the ground it amazes me to see masses of snipers/ medics charging around, but no AT troops if you don't count myself. Why? AT rockets are a wee bit underpowered against tanks, but surely the new patch hasn't made winging medikits/ claymores a more effective tactic to deal with them has it? That won't come until at least patch 1.3..... I expect someone will probably come back with a witty reply that makes me look all silly, still, that's life.

P.S: That wasn't aimed specifically at Kochenmann, but more at he various people I see on a regular basis whining that they're being raped by tanks, but still respawning as sniper/medic. Perhaps they are the sound based weapons the military is supposedly developing?
I think that is some peoples main problem with playing AT.  The fact that you need to shoot a tank several times (depending on where you hit it) and the time it takes to reload means that for the most part, you get off one shot and then dead, because you are the only AT guy around.  If you find 2 or 3 others running AT, you really can't be stopped.  People need to learn that AT is a needed class.
Auqakuh2213
Bianchi Whore.
+53|6897
I mostly play Support and I can say I enjoyed the new EF maps quite alot, although I noticed I branched out a bit more - hell, I even played as an Engineer for a bit. Never done that before unless I was commander and my team refused to repair the toys.

There was adequate cover for infantry to attack each CP and advance slowly but steadily, which is nice. On Operation Smokescreen, the squad I was in was camped out behind some rocks trying to move in on a CP for about fifteen minutes - APCs and tanks couldn't get out, we couldn't get in, but it certainly encouraged teamwork.

Ten thumbs up, because the oil clouds mutated me.

>.>
Milk.org
Bringing Sexy Back
+270|7004|UK
Well i'm one of them no-talent-fly-boys, and I must say apart from the Great Wall the other 2 maps rock Quarry being my favourite map because the tanks just line up for you on the dam ready for 5 bombs and a couple of LGM's plus with an F15 and a Eurofighter in the air with 1.2 patch you've never been so safe in an SU-34 or a MiG.

I like it
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6902|Canberra, AUS
I think its friggin good worth.

Hours upon hours of entertainment for the price of lunch.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
TrollmeaT
Aspiring Objectivist
+492|6900|Colorado
I'd like it more if I could see the servers for ef in the menu, instead I have to wait for a friend to join, then get the ip.
nelson496
Member
+3|7013
I've been playing EF only maps since it came out.  My average accuracy has gone down 3% and I can't snipe on Great Wall because of lag and my sniping acc. dropped 2%.  EF is tougher for infrantry.
Breadman
Member
+27|6961|Southern New Jersey
I like EF and all the maps. I think it's worth the 10 bucks I spent on it. I do like playing the 16 man version of Great Wall instead of 32 or 64 man. Great Wall 16 man only has 2 AA vehicles and some favs and humvees on it. Plus the EU guys can parachute into the city.  Giving you 2 ways to enter the city. And playing it with 24 to 32 players makes for one hell of a battle. Only drawback is the low 16 man ticket count. Haven't played other 2 maps in 16 man format yet. Probly be nice all out ground battle with out the jets and choopers.

As for finding EF servers just look for the names of the maps in the server browser.
Some servers are running the EF maps along with the original BF2 maps.

Last edited by Breadman (2006-03-19 21:52:16)

SolidusSnake12
Member
+2|6865
I dont have EF, however after reading this i wouldnt get it because I HATE TANKS/ARMOR im ok with vods and stuff but i hate tanks and APCS Infantry all the way. o yeah why cant they just make a map with all infantry???
Knochenmann_AUT
Member
+1|6954
P.S: That wasn't aimed specifically at Kochenmann, but more at he various people I see on a regular basis whining that they're being raped by tanks, but still respawning as sniper/medic. Perhaps they are the sound based weapons the military is supposedly developing
I think that is some peoples main problem with playing AT.  The fact that you need to shoot a tank several times (depending on where you hit it) and the time it takes to reload means that for the most part, you get off one shot and then dead, because you are the only AT guy around.  If you find 2 or 3 others running AT, you really can't be stopped.  People need to learn that AT is a needed class.
AT was once my faforite class... but the problem is, taking out a tank is like that:

You fire a missle on a tank.
Tank fires back, you are dead. Maybe:
the tank miss you.
In that case: fire an other missle
The tank fires back. Your are dead now. Or:
for some reason, the tank miss you again.
You can fire a third missle.
Now the tank fires back (you are dead for sure now) OR leaves the battle for repair (he will come back for you, GOTO "You fire a missle on a tank")  OR the guy in the tank jumps out and kill you with his PKM.
...or, for some reason, your are near enaugh to kill him with your DAQ. But this hardly ever happen.

Oh, and IF you realy kill him.... than you get incredible 2 points! Yes, the hard work was realy worth it!
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6902|Canberra, AUS

Knochenmann_AUT wrote:

P.S: That wasn't aimed specifically at Kochenmann, but more at he various people I see on a regular basis whining that they're being raped by tanks, but still respawning as sniper/medic. Perhaps they are the sound based weapons the military is supposedly developing
I think that is some peoples main problem with playing AT.  The fact that you need to shoot a tank several times (depending on where you hit it) and the time it takes to reload means that for the most part, you get off one shot and then dead, because you are the only AT guy around.  If you find 2 or 3 others running AT, you really can't be stopped.  People need to learn that AT is a needed class.
AT was once my faforite class... but the problem is, taking out a tank is like that:

You fire a missle on a tank.
Tank fires back, you are dead. Maybe:
the tank miss you.
In that case: fire an other missle
The tank fires back. Your are dead now. Or:
for some reason, the tank miss you again.
You can fire a third missle.
Now the tank fires back (you are dead for sure now) OR leaves the battle for repair (he will come back for you, GOTO "You fire a missle on a tank")  OR the guy in the tank jumps out and kill you with his PKM.
...or, for some reason, your are near enaugh to kill him with your DAQ. But this hardly ever happen.

Oh, and IF you realy kill him.... than you get incredible 2 points! Yes, the hard work was realy worth it!
Lol, you're pretty shocking at AT if you let yourself be fired at three times. And not kill the tank.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Knochenmann_AUT
Member
+1|6954
I know, you sould hide behind corners, aim for the spots, and so on...

But all in all, in a battle tank vs AT it's better to be in the tank. Beeing in a tank is a lot of fun and gets you a lot ofs points, especialy if nobody else is in a tank. Beeing a AT trooper is no fun alt all, and the only way to increase your SPM is to snipe with the AT equitment on infantry.

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