Poll

whats your opinion on marriage?

Its useless in modern day society14%14% - 8
It is good for many reasons69%69% - 39
Its Shogunistic5%5% - 3
Its downright stupid idea10%10% - 6
Total: 56
Xaritix
Banned
+1|6845|Somewhere near Beverly Hills
Yea, and one person can take everything in a divorce and leave the other person on the street
Copen
Member
+0|6864
For those of you how are against marriage because of religion, look into Civil Marriage or Civil Union.  It's the same thing but without religion.
InnerMonkey
Member
+62|6939

oberst_enzian wrote:

Marriage is a patriarchal anachronism that will be replaced as an institution during this century, in direct corrolation with the decline of religion as an ideological state apparatus (at least in the West).
I somewhat agree.  I don't know how long it will take to go away, but a century my be enough.  It is indeed a religious relic.  An overpriced, over commercialized relic. 

When I got married, it was funny how many people actually questioned us about the fact that we reworded our vows, removing things like God and OBEY.  Lots of both families were just glad we were no longer going to be living in sin. 

My wedding cost a damned fortune, and for what?  All we really did was repeat a tradition that held no real meaning to my wife and me.  We'd been together 2.5 years at that point, so it's wasn't like olden times where we would finally move in together and start producing babies like good little Christians.  Still, we were young, and both sets of parents...well....parents live to see  their kids get married and produce grandchildren.  At that time in life, we didn't think of it as more than something that you're supposed to do when you're in love.  Like I said, we were young.

Our marriage is going on ten years now, and still no grandchildren.  I guess they've finally come to terms with us only having grandcats and grandfishies.  No regrets though.  We were young and it isn't like we're unhappy.  Still, we talk about it sometimes and still wonder why we did it.  We could've had one hell of a honeymoon on 12k or so.

On a side note, we've long felt that marriage turned out to be a great way to save money as college students.  We suddenly became a very very poor family, and the grants and tax break were nice.  We could have even got welfare (we didn't).  I recommend it to you soon-to-be collegiates out there.  It's just sad that a peice of paper makes that much difference (This time I'm making fun of marriage, not college degrees.  That's for another thread).


I've lost my train of thought on this, but typed too much to just delete it.
Xaritix
Banned
+1|6845|Somewhere near Beverly Hills
And its stupid that theres a conflict over gay marriage, just as you guys said, its up to that couple to decide, not that homophobic Bush.

I, by the way, arent gay
Brikiin118
Member
+1|6841
Yea!!!
Fuzzball_the_Shooter
The Photographer.
+81|6925|Central Valley,California
I think divorce has gone WAY to far these days. Marriage isn't even precious anymore. I mean LOTS of kids parents are divorced, WAY higher number from even the 60's or 70's. Some people get married 3 or 4 times in there life? I think people should just stick to one person and love them, unless there abusive, thats a whole different story.
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7061|Cologne, Germany

<{SoE}>Agamemnar wrote:

B.Schuss wrote:

well, to begin with, marriage has always been a religious concept, and the benefits one receives from his government for marrying are only testament (sic) to the non-existent separation of church and state.

Why should I receive a tax break from my government because I am married ? What makes married people so much more valuable for the nation ? The ( most likely ) answer: children, i.e. future taxpayers and soldiers.

It is vitally important for every nation to ensure its own existence. A sufficient rate of birth is the most important prerequisite for that, and since married couples will most likely also have children, it is only logical for the nation to promote marriage ( aka family values ) and give benefits to those who get married.

That how I see it, at least...

Agamemnar wrote:

Marriage promotes familial stability...
it does ? why are so many couples getting a divorce then ?  If the relationship doesn't work, it doesn't work, wether you are married or not.
If you came from a mediteranean family with the same values as mine (Italian), you would understand. I don't expect you to.


My parents are DIVORCED... and it is a shame. Two families were seperated as a result. I will not make the same mistake.
Mine are too..

So, does this mean you are not going to get married in the first place ? Or are you simply not going to get divorced, whatever the situation ?

You know, with your G/F being considerably older than you, this is going to become an issue sooner than you might think ( marriage, that is. Not divorce ).
Xaritix
Banned
+1|6845|Somewhere near Beverly Hills
I plan on NEVER getting married.

Besides, most people think that I should just get a life when it comes to Paris Hilton

And I don't want to ever get a girlfriend unless its Paris Hilton
TrollmeaT
Aspiring Objectivist
+492|6893|Colorado
I wouldn't advise it without being sure, I myself thought I would never get married but the girl I have now is starting to change my mind, she is my true counterpart , & everyday just reafirms that.
MooseRyder
Member
+37|6875|Montréal, Canada

Xaritix wrote:

I plan on NEVER getting married.

Besides, most people think that I should just get a life when it comes to Paris Hilton

And I don't want to ever get a girlfriend unless its Paris Hilton
You gonna live a very lonely and a sad life, and dream over Paris Hilton over and over, because its pretty much the closest you gonna come of paris hilton.

You should get over your teenager dreams and step into the "real" world.
imdead
Death StatPadder
+228|6989|Human Meat Shield

KtotheIMMY wrote:

Ahh marriage. At 22 I've been married twice and divorced once. I have nothing further to say.
Ha! me too!

The divorce was a hit to my heart and life; didn't care about the ex-wife; but she took my pride and joy -- my child.

Now happily married, for the last time married. I've found out you have to be a Team.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|6992|PNW

B.Schuss wrote:

Agamemnar wrote:

Marriage promotes familial stability...
it does ? why are so many couples getting a divorce then ?  If the relationship doesn't work, it doesn't work, wether you are married or not.
Yes, I know you see the logic of marriage, but I still have to say something here...

Alright, cancel the institution of marriage and watch western civilization crumble like the Roman Empire in its throes of immorality. Marriage does promote familial stability. Believe it or not, there are couples who stay married. I live in a neighborhood evenly divided between married couples and single mothers, and I can tell you right now which families are the least insane...

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2006-03-18 23:55:56)

Xaritix
Banned
+1|6845|Somewhere near Beverly Hills
I believe that marriage is a wast of 10,000+ dollars and its shogunistic and ect.

I think its stupid how modern day society obsesses with marriage

Plus, the only reason why everyone has a romantic partner is because society brainwashen them from birth

And lots of people live OK lives with an obsession with someone, and I'm not nesesarily that obsessed with Paris Hilton, but not entirerly none-obsessed

And its evil how little girls are brainwashed into dreaming about their wedding

Last edited by Xaritix (2006-03-19 10:30:03)

unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|6992|PNW

Uh, ok. Lets do away with that institution and say goodbye to human society...
Xaritix
Banned
+1|6845|Somewhere near Beverly Hills
What? Huh? What do you mean?
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6895|Canberra, AUS
When was the last time you left home?
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Xaritix
Banned
+1|6845|Somewhere near Beverly Hills
Lets see here...last week lol!

actually, this morning at like 1:00 PM
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7061|Cologne, Germany

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

B.Schuss wrote:

Agamemnar wrote:

Marriage promotes familial stability...
it does ? why are so many couples getting a divorce then ?  If the relationship doesn't work, it doesn't work, wether you are married or not.
Yes, I know you see the logic of marriage, but I still have to say something here...

Alright, cancel the institution of marriage and watch western civilization crumble like the Roman Empire in its throes of immorality. Marriage does promote familial stability. Believe it or not, there are couples who stay married. I live in a neighborhood evenly divided between married couples and single mothers, and I can tell you right now which families are the least insane...
well, that depends on your definition of "family", I'd say. the stereotype family ( mum, dad, 2 kids, and a dog ) really doesn't exist any more these days. At least , those families are the minority.

It's all about good parenting, and just having mum and dad doesn't guarantee a good childhood / upbringing. I know a lot of single mums/dads who do an outstanding job, sometimes better than those living in "intact" ( mind the quotes) families.
UON
Junglist Massive
+223|6873
Marriage is what you make it.  I got married last year aged 25.  I like being married, and wearing the ring, but I would take my relationship just as seriously whether or not we were married.  I wouldn't have cared if she hadn't taken my name, and nothing about our marriage was religious, expensive or traditional. 

Can you help me out with what you mean by 'shogunistic', it appears to be a word you made up.  Perhaps you can disambiguate this for me using this list.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shogun_%28 … guation%29

I hope you don't mean marriage reminds you of the boss from the NES version of Ninja Turtles, because if you do then you are right, you will never get married.
UON
Junglist Massive
+223|6873
Just shown this thread to the missus, and she'd like to add that it's more than just a bit of paper:

"it made me feel happier, more secure and more contented than I'd ever felt in my entire life"

And she says do you mean chauvanistic?
Xaritix
Banned
+1|6845|Somewhere near Beverly Hills
Thats because "every little girl dreams about her wedding", which is a bunch of crap

Last edited by Xaritix (2006-03-20 21:57:00)

Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6895|Canberra, AUS

Xaritix wrote:

Thats because "every little girl dreams about her wedding", which is a bunch of crap
Have you ASKED any little girls?
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
dubbs
Member
+105|6852|Lexington, KY
I know that there are things that are benefical with marrage.  There is more the physical thinks, like taxes, and children.  There are some emotical things that can not be described.  Xaritix, you seem like a person that is very depressed, or you do not like yourself a lot.  Drop the Paris Hilton "crush" you stated that you are 18, and you are to old to think like that.  This may be the reason you think marriage is "every little girls dream".  It is natural for women to dream about someone that they can spend the rest of their life with.  You stated that you think it is wrong to have the woman take the man's name, there are cases where that is vise versa.  (I know my wife was glad to take my last name)  Also, it marriage was a religious thing, then it would be practiced in only one faith, not multiple ones.  Marriage helps a society grow, and be stable emotional, since there are more single parent families, I had a friend who lived with his dad only, there have been increases in crime, and unstable people, IMO.
BVC
Member
+325|6915

Xaritix wrote:

I believe that marriage is a wast of 10,000+ dollars and its shogunistic and ect.

I think its stupid how modern day society obsesses with marriage

Plus, the only reason why everyone has a romantic partner is because society brainwashen them from birth

And lots of people live OK lives with an obsession with someone, and I'm not nesesarily that obsessed with Paris Hilton, but not entirerly none-obsessed

And its evil how little girls are brainwashed into dreaming about their wedding
You don't have to spend a lot of money on your wedding if you don't want to.  A simple beach/forest/park ceremony will do, I've even helped set up such ceremonies!  But if you want to spend a lot of money then go for it, its your choice.

Marraige has been a party of almost every society and religion (and non-religion ) for as long as recorded history has existed, its not like its a modern phenomenon.

While there is a bit of pressure to get married in SOME parts of society, its by no means brainwashing.  What part of the world are you living in?  Whether you believe we have a soul or not, theres some force within most of us driving us towards some form of romantic companionship...be it spiritual or hormonal.  And to be honest, if you care in the slightest about Paris Hilton then you need to get out more...theres more to life than celebrity gossip!

If you want to live a life without marraige, its your choice and thats fine with me.

And please explain why medieval japanese rulers are relevant?

Last edited by Pubic (2006-03-21 00:56:43)

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