shellshox345
Member
+4|6920
Our school district is awesome as far as oportunities go. There are all kinds of advanced classes and we have one of the best peforming arts programs in the country. Theres also this scholorship case where they display all of the scolorships that you can apply for.  Theres all kinds of free tutoring if you need help.

However when it comes to students taking advantage of all this, thats another story. There are people who are repeating pre-algabra for the third time and there is this guy in my section (for band) that had a GPA of .875 out of 4. So I would deffintly have to say that the people who are failing in my school have no one to blame but themselves.
RAIMIUS
You with the face!
+244|6942|US
I will admit that many students do not try to make anything of themselves.  I know there are some students repeating pre-algebra at my school too.

At my school, class size is often closely related to how hard the class is.  Honors and AP classes are usually smaller than the average class.  (unless an honors course is only taught for one period)  General level (i.e. "normal") classes range from the mid 20s to mid 40s, except for gym classes which have approximately 50-80 students per teacher.  Honors classes range from 5 to about 30.  Having five students in a finite math class is strange...very strange.

I would say that one of my school's main problems is the Guidance department.  The counselors will place you in a random class if your schedule does not work out.  I have seen students who wanted to be in an intermediate level history class placed in AP US History.  It is not uncommon to have at least one student drop a class because they did not want it in the first place.  My counselor tried to place me in a drivers-ed class as a senior!

At my school teachers do not try to sway your opinion very often.  In fact, most teachers will try to change the subject if they are ready to give an unsolicited political opinion.  If you want to know what the teacher thinks, you have to ask...most of the time.
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6902|Canberra, AUS

RAIMIUS wrote:

I would say that the system is not fine.  While there are many opportunities to be found, some students try their hardest but are still academically neglected.  Also, I do not like the idea of having upwards of 40 students stuffed into a class.  My school is falling apart arond the edges, but other schools in wealthier areas (nearby) look like a display of new gadgets and furniture.  I wonder how much school funding effects a school's image, performance, etc.

Do they still teach current events?  That seems to have disappeared from my area.

"It's America." Spark, what do you mean?  That was not very clear to me.
What does SOSE stand for?  I assume it is similar to my school's "social studies" department. (i.e. history, government, economics, etc)

(I have to wonder about my school.  We are required to take 3.5 years of P.E., but only 2 years of history.  Does that make sense?)
Classes should be a maximum 25. Less the better. My smallest class, Chinese, has 13 people. It's an 'average' class, but everyone is getting B's or A's at this point.

'Current events' is merged into history

SOSE: Studies Of Society and the Environment. Geography, History, Economics rolled into one.

It's America: I mean that it's America. Not Australia. I have no experience of what he was talking about.

I would say that one of my school's main problems is the Guidance department.  The counselors will place you in a random class if your schedule does not work out.  I have seen students who wanted to be in an intermediate level history class placed in AP US History.  It is not uncommon to have at least one student drop a class because they did not want it in the first place.  My counselor tried to place me in a drivers-ed class as a senior!
That's sad. This is bred by sheer laziness.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
RAIMIUS
You with the face!
+244|6942|US
I agree that 20-25 students is a good class size.  The largest, non P.E. class that I have had was 36.  The smallest is 5.  We started Finite Math with 9 students, but 4 dropped out.

SOSE, that sounds good in theory, but would never work.  Classes need to have a focus or nothing gets done.  Trying to combine a bunch of related topics like that makes sense only if you have a lot of time and enthusiastic students. I do not think it will ever work on a large scale.  My school places all of those classes into one department, but keeps them as separate classes.  (most of them become electives)

With the counselors, a lot if it is laziness on their part.  Some of them really do try, but are overwhelmed by the sheer number of students they are responsible for.

How does the college entrance system work in Australia?   Just wondering.
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6902|Canberra, AUS
As I said, its killing Geography.

A lot of students can't answer these questions:

Where's Iraq? Who's al-Qaeda? Where's Afghanistan? Where's NEW YORK? WHERE THE FUCK IS THE US? (it's actually 10%, my bad)

The saddest stat of all:

A third of American student cannot locate the Pacific ocean on the map.

Oh My Fucking God.

What are you teaching them!?

Also to note: this

Interesting to know: More non-Americans know America's population than real Americans. For the record, its 300 million.

You are in a class of your own.

Last edited by Spark (2006-03-19 23:38:26)

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6902|Canberra, AUS
College entarance?

Well... you do the Year 10 Certificate testing. You pass, you automatically are allowed to go to Year 11 (and college). You fail, and you

1. Do it again
2. Go out on the streets
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
mcminty
Moderating your content for the Australian Govt.
+879|6949|Sydney, Australia

Spark wrote:

College entarance?

Well... you do the Year 10 Certificate testing. You pass, you automatically are allowed to go to Year 11 (and college). You fail, and you

1. Do it again
2. Go out on the streets
Collage? You mean like university or something different?

God its different here is NSW.
Renegade2k9
Member
+0|6894|Brooklyn, New York, USA

Spark wrote:

As I said, its killing Geography.

A lot of students can't answer these questions:

Where's Iraq? Who's al-Qaeda? Where's Afghanistan? Where's NEW YORK? WHERE THE FUCK IS THE US? (it's actually 10%, my bad)

The saddest stat of all:

A third of American student cannot locate the Pacific ocean on the map.

Oh My Fucking God.

What are you teaching them!?

Also to note: this

Interesting to know: More non-Americans know America's population than real Americans. For the record, its 300 million.

You are in a class of your own.
That is because those students don't care about learning. I went through public school and I know that and much more about my country and the rest of the world.
specops10-4
Member
+108|6971|In the hills
I really don't want to give away too much about my life, I just dont like to but I will tell you that my school is one of the top schools in the US and I am taking average courses and they pose a lot of difficulty to me and other good students.  Also there is so little bullying in my school (except a few random fights between "ghetto" kids) that kids just play magic cards and freaking nerdy stuff in the middle of hallways, and no one will bother them.  Its actually pretty good, there is very little pressure and there is a definatly a willingness to succeed in my community.
AknaMih
Member
+2|6952|Finland
Reading this stuff makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. What a great thing it was to be born to a land where there are only public schools with reasonably good funding. Although, smarter kids may not have enough challenge which may lead to lazyness, but luckily some can skip a year or two.

A huge part in the effort that the students are putting in depends on the society. In the sparsely populated north ,where I have educated myself, drugs and gangs and such are nearly nonexistent. Supposedly, thanks to the not so strict alcohol culture and small differences in distribution of wealth.

The secondary schooling is, to my knowledge, very high in quality. At least I practically had no spare time during those years, but I got in to the university of my choice. All the educational establishments choose their students based solely one their grades because every step is payed by tax payers' money. It seems to be motivating even the poorest to study and make something out of themselves.

In addition, government supports students financially. A small amount of monthly income is available and 80 percent of rent if one makes progress in one's studies.

Not everything goes perfect though. It seems that the system is going slowly down the drain. Schools are being closed for the lack of funding and class sizes are on the rise. Universities are leaving some of the more demanding courses out of their curriculum or lowering requirements because students are failing and universities' funding depends on the amount of graduated students they can produce.

Ps. Sorry for the language. Over ten years of studying English and this is the best I can do?
RAIMIUS
You with the face!
+244|6942|US
Yes, when I say college, I mean university.  The words are usually interchangeable in the US.  I'm not quite sure how the US is one of the only places that uses them interchangeably.  I guess that is just how us stupid Americans are.

Wow, the Finnish system sounds pretty good.  Yes, there are loopholes and problems, but I like the general concept.  AknaMih, your english is good.  There are many native english speakers who do not write as well as you do.  (That is a sad fact, in my opinion...darn, bested by another European nation!) 

I just voted to raise my school's funding.  The referendum will probably fail though.  Oh well, one more school district down the drain.
dubbs
Member
+105|6859|Lexington, KY
My schools were not that well.  I was doing Trig in 7th grade, but my senior year in high school would not put me in a math class.  I even asked to be in one.  My freshman Advance Algebra class was a joke.  I had 110% in the class as an overall grade.  I choose to stop doing the work because it was way too easy, the class was also covering information that I learned in middle school. Dropped to a 70 something, and within a few weeks I was back to 98%.  I did not do a lot of the work in each of my classes because I was not challenged by the work and the classes were moving to slow for me.  I read my entire social studies textbook before the class got through the first three or four chapters.  Most of the stuff I learned in school was self taught. 

Here is what I had in my senior year of high school:

English:   The teacher treated us like 3rd graders.  She gave use a sticker, and five extra points, for just saying something in class that was on subject.  We had one guy who would sleep most of the class, wake up and say a few things and get extra points.  He also did not show up most of the time, I think he missed 80 of the 180 days.  I think he passed with a C.  Another guy sold candy, chips, and pop in class, this was the only reason he came to school.  If he needed money he would come to school sell candy, then not show up for another week or two.

Geography:  We just studied the geography of different regions of the world and our state.

Metals:  Played on the PC in this class.  There was not much else to do.

Spanish: I do not know any Spanish other then the phase I do not know Spanish, in English please.  I used this time to learn HTML, since we could not get a teacher that did not stay longer then a week.  On a side note, it was rumored that we had about 20 teachers quit this job just a hour into it. 

I had two other classes that I do not even remember.  Most of my teachers thought that watching a movie will educate us.  In my Biology class we watch at least one movie a week, and the teachers all had the same outline for class.  We took notes from an overhead while the teachers talked on the phone.  The only class I found useful AVID, which stands for Advancement Via Individual Determination, was dropped my Junior year because of funding.  It was a college prep class/study hall. 

So overall, the education system that I had was not great.  I wish they had independent studies so that I did not have to sit in boring classes for eight hours a day.

EDIT:  The only thing our school was trying to do is get kids in class so that the school can get additional money.  This was a political thing.  They did not really care what kind of education that we got, or the fact that in a state wide testing system, we were the lowest in our city.  They just wanted you to show up so they can get paided.

Last edited by dubbs (2006-03-21 17:37:13)

lowing
Banned
+1,662|6879|USA

RAIMIUS wrote:

Interesting quote,

This is part of the problem with Americans.

"'I'm too lazy to learn'
'I'm too lazy to think'
'I'm too lazy to do anything about it'."

So, beyond the stereotypes, what is/was your education system like?  Do you feel that it compares favorably with others? 

My opinion:
I come from a suburban school district that is deeply in debt, has a curriculum that lags several years behind other schools, has moderate test scores, and has a high school dropout/repeat percentage of nearly 25% (in my class).  I feel that, unless a student takes the hardest courses possible, they well not recieve a great education.  After seeing some of the things students do, anti-smoking posters that say "smoking makes your longs sick", a school newspaper that does not use spell-check, and having high school students repeating pre-algebra, I feel rather ashamed of my school system.
On the other hand, my school's top courses gave me the opportunity to earn several hundred thousand dollars worth of scholarships and be accepted into one of the toughest schools in the nation.

But what is the general result of my school system's education?  I would say that the top 10% have a superior education, but the majority have an average-to-poor education.

I would like to hear some other people's opinions on their schools (or former schools).  General comments on educational systems, problems, and improvements would also be appreciated.
The schools function I believe is to teach. For this, the students are provided with a comfortable school with a controlled environment, work space, work materials, and a teacher to guide them and provide knowledge and support of topics covered. What more is a school supposed to do? Is it the schools job to raise kids? I see the problem being not so much the schools as it is the kids, and their parents. There is a decline of parental morality in our country. Therein lies the problem in my humble opinion.
Contrary to popular belief a school is not a daycare center. As our teachers have the responsibility to teach (and should be held accountable for it), our kids have the EQUAL responsibility to learn (and should be held accountable for it). The parents have an EQUAL responsibility to support and encourage that learning (and should be held accountable for it). Education is a tripod, all 3 legs, teachers, students, and parents are needed to support it.


It makes sense to me that home schooled kids are fairing better than public school kids. Home schooled kids have parents that take an active part in their children’s education and lives; they are not faced with the constant disrespect and distractions from unruly students that are present in public schools. They also still have support from the government who sets up the guidelines that home schooled families must follow.
1. Kids who want to learn.
2. Parents who want them to learn.
3. Educators guiding the learning.
It seems to be working. Public schools have to waste so much time, money, and energy combating a greater number of kids who are being sent to them without basic social skills, respect, guidance, leadership or morality in their lives? As well as combating the irresponsible parents who are sending them. I wonder! Oh my god!! I have become my father!! 


Even in our poorest school systems, you have students that not only succeed with their public school education but excel, while others fail miserably, why? The answer I believe is the home from which these students come from. Rich or poor is not the issue. A family can be financially set but raise criminals, (the Menendez brothers comes to mind). The opposite is true. A family can be poor but rich in love and support. These are the students that will make it in life.
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|6944
Here in Taiwan I go to an American School... But the public schools in Taiwan are too competitive, kids go to school at 7:40, starts classes at 8:30, ends school at 5 and go to after school classes till 8, do HW then sleeps at 12.

In Taiwanese public schools, your grades are based on your tests (3 tests per semester, no semester grade. just test grade only) and most parents expect their kids to get A-'s... some schools in Taiwan even cut PE class (40 mins of PE twice a week. Thats fucking pathetic) and replace it with math or english classes.

Pretty much the average student here in Taiwan has no life and study's all day. They cant even run 1k without stopping for christ sake
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unnamednewbie13
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+2,053|6999|PNW

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

Pretty much the average student here in Taiwan has no life and study's all day. They cant even run 1k without stopping for christ sake
Good. We need more Taiwanese hunched over the workbenches in microchip labs.
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|6944

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

Pretty much the average student here in Taiwan has no life and study's all day. They cant even run 1k without stopping for christ sake
Good. We need more Taiwanese hunched over the workbenches in microchip labs.
well thats what most kids do nowadays well except for me... coz im l33t... lol but seriously, their health is really bad... they dont excersize much and too much pressure for the kids... they even have test when theyre in 1st grade... thats just fucked up aint it?
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