BF2S Forums Your stance on Gun Control?

FeloniousMonk wrote:

Burning_Monkey wrote:

If we both start out with the weapons in pockets or holsters, you will be the one dead.  A knife weilding attacker can cover the 21 feet and stab you to death before the pistol clears holster every time.  And I mean every time.  It's an example they run at Gunsite (or at least that's the name of the school) and no one has survived the test.  Not even the instructors.

Didn't you ever wonder why police make you turn around, face away, and put your hands behind your head in a high tension situation?  The 21 foot rule is one of the reasons why.  The extra time it takes you to drop your hands, grab the knife, and close the distance is just enough for the officer to drop your ass with 2 to the center of mass.

Is there anything to support that theory? I highly doubt that you can cover 21 feet in the course of the second or two that it takes me to draw. To to mention that there are some of us in the world that know full well how to defend from a knife weilding retard. It's not very hard to disarm someone with a knife if they don't know what they're doing and most criminals really really don't.

kilroy0097 wrote:

I believe that no one under the age of 25 should legally own a firearm of any sort. Hangun or Rifle.

FeloniousMonk wrote:

oh yea, I've heard of that. interesting but it doesn't take enough real world scenarios into consideration

jiggaman804 wrote:

use a slightly firm grip, keep both eyes open, squeeze trigger dont pull.

Burning_Monkey wrote:

FeloniousMonk wrote:

oh yea, I've heard of that. interesting but it doesn't take enough real world scenarios into consideration

You are some what correct.  But just figuring charge distance and attack speed, within 21 feet, I'll put my money on the knife guy.  Even a little slash, while not deadly, will disrupt an attempt to draw a pistol and leave the pistol user open for the next attack.

FeloniousMonk wrote:

Handguns only, though.

FeloniousMonk wrote:

Scorpian65 wrote:

While I agree with most of what you said the following I completely disagree with.

kilroy0097 wrote:

I believe that no one under the age of 25 should legally own a firearm of any sort. Hangun or Rifle.

My reasoning is this:
If a person is old enough (18yrs of age) to be given an Assault Rifle and sent out to kill the enemies of the United States as military personal then they are old enough to have their own legal weapons.

yet for some reason retarded laws across the nation still won't allow that soldier to have a drink until he's 21 you can die in combat but damned if you're gonna have a beer with your buddies

Last edited by atlvolunteer (2005-12-07 15:36:16)

{SiR}_XsnipeR01 wrote:

Burning_Monkey wrote:

If we both start out with the weapons in pockets or holsters, you will be the one dead.  A knife weilding attacker can cover the 21 feet and stab you to death before the pistol clears holster every time.  And I mean every time.  It's an example they run at Gunsite (or at least that's the name of the school) and no one has survived the test.  Not even the instructors.

Didn't you ever wonder why police make you turn around, face away, and put your hands behind your head in a high tension situation?  The 21 foot rule is one of the reasons why.  The extra time it takes you to drop your hands, grab the knife, and close the distance is just enough for the officer to drop your ass with 2 to the center of mass.

OK now if I get this right if we both start with the weapons in the pockets/holsters you would kill me every time?  Ok heres the deal, first you have to take in to affect two basic rules in One on One CQB (Close Quarters Battle) or CQC (Close Quarters Combat)

1) You always keep you eyes on the enemy
2) Choose the plan off attack/defense

Now to get to what you have written, I will tell you this. I some forms of military training (I will leave out the names) you are trained for these kinds of situations. So no, he would dead or on his way out, if the right person was behind the gun. I know for a fact that if someone was going to stab me and was 21 feet away it would take him at a dead run 3.5-4 secs ( my wife timed the run )to reach me.  Now some of you say, “that is a short time wow 4 secs no way that’s too fast".  Now I will show how... 

I takes my hand .5 secs to get to my gun (sweet shoulder rig) at the same time I am turning my left shoulder towards him. I pull the my gun it takes 1.3 secs to be out and at the ready, while this is happening my right leg is slide back to support my weight,  Point ,aim, shoot .8 secs. Now all this is happening at the same time and trust me when I say this if you are shot with 40 cal bullets you will be thrown down like redheaded stepchild. Now let us add this up.

  .5
1.3
  .8
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2.6 secs to 3.5-4 secs    Bad guy DEAD I am alive

.5 secs can determine if you live or die.

Now for your sake ill thrown in that I am no regular "civilian".
I come from a long line of military personal
My Grandfather a Marine
My Father a Master Gunnery Sergeant in the Marines was one of the first marines to be sent to Vietnam before the war started.  Look it up and then you will understand what im telling you.
My three uncles also served in the Marines/Air force before and during the Vietnam War.
Me, Sergeant U.S.Army and by a few hints you may be able to tell what I did in the Army.

Now this test was done with controlled subjects, now i'm not saying that everyone (including me) be able to do this every time but 9 out of 10 times the outcome was the same. Then you will most likely say what if the man is tall, ok six feet per sec per step that is 3.5 secs. Now also throw in that the fact if a man is running at you, you will move back thus giving you some more time. Therefore, I will say that I will disagree with your statement.

RKF77 wrote:

Burning_Monkey wrote:

And with modern retention control holsters, it doesn't take very much to disrupt the drawing of the weapon.

That was one of the things covered with us when we graduated...our instructors told us, "ok, now you're probably going to carry Safariland SSIII holsters...you CANNOT draw as fast out of those as you can out of the ones we used in the Academy, at least, not right now.  Train until you can, or give yourself lots of extra room when dealing with armed suspects,"

Then I got my first SSIII...hehe, spent four hours one night drawing and reholstering until my hands bled.