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2006-03-09 11:26:41
Darth_Fleder
Mod from the Church of the Painful Truth
+533|7034|Orlando, FL - Age 43

herrr_smity wrote:

since you are so well schooled in geography you will have to notice the size of Iran, gaining control over it wont be like afghanistan or Iraq.
the us army are in deep shit in iraq already.
I am also well schooled in history. First of all, the U.S. military is NOT in "deep shit" in Iraq, as some would have you believe. They have performed their mission in spectacular fashion. Secondly, Iraq and Iran fought a war for ten years or so that ended in stalemate. The Iraqi military that fought the Iranians to a standstill were no match for the U.S. ergo, Iran's armed forces would also fall to the U.S.

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

It doesn't matter than Iran is between Iraq and Afghanistan, we just don't have enough troops to go in and take Iran as well, and still have the number of troops necessary to keep sufficient numbers in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Like I said, if the US decided it was going to go into an all out conflict with Iran, they would most likely initiate a draft.
And just where do you get your information Dung_Bomb? Not much of a head for strategy I take it. You just want to perpetuate the idea of a draft that was a popular rumour before the 2004 election.
2006-03-09 12:05:24
jonnykill
The Microwave Man
+235|6907
We should bomb the bloddy hell out of Iran for this alone .

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/sh … hp?t=75008

I mean beyond calling for the destruction of Isreal , the US and all and then making nukes and saying it's all for electricity and all . Give me a break . Drop bombs on Iran's nuclear sites for like - months  .
2006-03-09 13:57:49
Horseman 77
Banned
+160|7065

TrollmeaT wrote:

Isreal is americas bitch, they will do what we say.
They should be but some will say its the Other way around.
2006-03-09 14:13:22
herrr_smity
Member
+156|6855|space command ur anus

Darth_Fleder wrote:

herrr_smity wrote:

since you are so well schooled in geography you will have to notice the size of Iran, gaining control over it wont be like afghanistan or Iraq.
the us army are in deep shit in iraq already.
I am also well schooled in history. First of all, the U.S. military is NOT in "deep shit" in Iraq, as some would have you believe. They have performed their mission in spectacular fashion. Secondly, Iraq and Iran fought a war for ten years or so that ended in stalemate. The Iraqi military that fought the Iranians to a standstill were no match for the U.S. ergo, Iran's armed forces would also fall to the U.S.

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

It doesn't matter than Iran is between Iraq and Afghanistan, we just don't have enough troops to go in and take Iran as well, and still have the number of troops necessary to keep sufficient numbers in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Like I said, if the US decided it was going to go into an all out conflict with Iran, they would most likely initiate a draft.
And just where do you get your information Dung_Bomb? Not much of a head for strategy I take it. You just want to perpetuate the idea of a draft that was a popular rumour before the 2004 election.
I'm not arguing that the Iranian armed forces ever cold stand against the US army and air force, but were wold the manpower com from fore a big military intervention against Iran.
and don't forget that the Iraqi forces were destroyed during the first gulf war.
2006-03-10 05:24:00
see-pie
Member
+1|6903|Denmark

herrr_smity wrote:

see-pie wrote:

herrr_smity wrote:

the only reason way Israel can exist is withe the support from the US.
Foreign Aid Grants and Loans
$74,157,600,000

Other U.S. Aid (12.2% of Foreign Aid)
$9,047,227,200

Interest to Israel from Advanced Payments
$1,650,000,000

Grand Total
$84,854,827,200

Total Benefits per Israeli
$14,630
Cost to U.S. Taxpayers of U.S.
Aid to Israel

Grand Total
$84,854,827,200

Interest Costs Borne by U.S.
$49,936,680,000

Total Cost to U.S. Taxpayers
$134,791,507,200

Total Taxpayer Cost per Israeli
$23,240
Impressive...But the only reason why america wants to aid israel is because they annually buy their fighter jets...without these jets the americans would be stuck with their stealth fighters which cost a fortune...and even though the americans have the knowledge to build the israeli F-18's, they cant afford to pay the building cost so therefor they buy them from Israel for almost half price. Why would they otherwise hang onto Israel for so long?
to have a strategic partner in the middle east.
Then why havnt they become partners with another country. Israel isnt the only country in the middle-east that will ally with America. Instead of creating problems with Iran they can try to associate with them. If they ally with them they will realize that Iran is in fact trying to creat a nuclear power station. Its just crzy Bush thats trying to be the police chief of the world trying to solv all the worlds problems.
2006-03-10 05:30:41
Asmodeane
Member
+0|6860|Hellsinki, Finland
Yes, Israel pretty much is the only country in the middle-east that seems to be a true ally of US.

Let's review the situation a little bit... Over 30 Billion dollars was given to Egypt from the mid 70's to the mid 90's, and that's barely kept them neutral. Syria is making some political overtures to the US, I believe, and Pakistan's Musharraff (sp?) is sorta playing the ally, even though the majority of his subjects are against it. Saudi Arabia is also an ally officially, but the public opinion there is overwhelmingly against it, naturally.

Also, learn to spell and do your research before posting with the big boys, ok buddy? Cultivating an educated opinion that boils down to something other than just "Bush sukz, roflmao" would help, too.
2006-03-10 06:02:50
Horseman 77
Banned
+160|7065

see-pie wrote:

herrr_smity wrote:

see-pie wrote:


Impressive...But the only reason why america wants to aid israel is because they annually buy their fighter jets...without these jets the americans would be stuck with their stealth fighters which cost a fortune...and even though the americans have the knowledge to build the israeli F-18's, they cant afford to pay the building cost so therefor they buy them from Israel for almost half price. Why would they otherwise hang onto Israel for so long?
to have a strategic partner in the middle east.
Then why havnt they become partners with another country. Israel isnt the only country in the middle-east that will ally with America. Instead of creating problems with Iran they can try to associate with them. If they ally with them they will realize that Iran is in fact trying to creat a nuclear power station. Its just crzy Bush thats trying to be the police chief of the world trying to solv all the worlds problems.
$74,157,600,000

Let me get this straight .. We lend them  $74,157,600,000 So they will buy a 30,000,000 dolar fighter jet or 2 every 5 years from an American Company?

Strategic partner at the cost of   $74,157,600,000 Fuck that, sounds more like a leach or the Mafia.


Partner in what? thier Wars ? Gee thanks but.... no thanks.

I wonder what oil would cost us if we took one half of that  $74,157,600,000 and gave it to Arab countries   

instead ?
2006-03-10 10:13:31
herrr_smity
Member
+156|6855|space command ur anus

Horseman 77 wrote:

see-pie wrote:

herrr_smity wrote:


to have a strategic partner in the middle east.
Then why havnt they become partners with another country. Israel isnt the only country in the middle-east that will ally with America. Instead of creating problems with Iran they can try to associate with them. If they ally with them they will realize that Iran is in fact trying to creat a nuclear power station. Its just crzy Bush thats trying to be the police chief of the world trying to solv all the worlds problems.
$74,157,600,000

Let me get this straight .. We lend them  $74,157,600,000 So they will buy a 30,000,000 dolar fighter jet or 2 every 5 years from an American Company?

Strategic partner at the cost of   $74,157,600,000 Fuck that, sounds more like a leach or the Mafia.


Partner in what? their Wars ? Gee thanks but.... no thanks.

I wonder what oil would cost us if we took one half of that  $74,157,600,000 and gave it to Arab countries   

instead ?
noooo you lent them $74,157,600,000 to by weapons and shit the only reason that israel still exists are funds from the US.
the us is a partner of Israel thanks to all the religious fanatics in the US that thinks that the jews are a chosen people by god, and that israel is the divine homeland of the jewish people.
and that includes President bush.
2006-03-10 22:27:45
BVC
Member
+325|6923
You know, if Iran adopted an anti-nuclear policy they could avoid a whole world of shit and they could even be best buddies with the US...oh, wait, my country tried that and the US told us to get fucked...
2006-03-10 22:55:13
TrollmeaT
Aspiring Objectivist
+492|6900|Colorado
The same thing that is happening to north korea will happen to iran{money supply cut off} , you guys get worked up too fast & speculate way too much.

When Iraq hit tel-avi{sorry may not be the correct citys name} with a scud they wanted to mess iraq up but held back because we told them too...point & case.

Your allways going to have someone with a different opinion though & flame your opening comment , I have not added more discussion because their is nothing to discuss.
2006-03-11 05:17:50
Horseman 77
Banned
+160|7065

Pubic wrote:

You know, if Iran adopted an anti-nuclear policy they could avoid a whole world of shit and they could even be best buddies with the US...oh, wait, my country tried that and the US told us to get fucked...
Care to elaberate  in another thread ?
2006-03-11 06:04:59
bigelectricat
Member
+3|6919

see-pie wrote:

haha im sure thats what happened...the IAF(Israeli Air Force) had a little duel between some of their top fighters and the american air force's top fighters. the results were- 1 f-18 and 3 f-15 which belonged to the IAF were shot down by the american air force, pretty impressive, but the israeli's had shot down 113 american fighters down of various sorts. It was in an israeli newspaper, maariv, the information was supposed to be top secret but there was unfortunalty a leak. So you can honestly not tell me they lack skills!
your source of that 'leaked information' came from a tabloid newspaper which also happens to like publishing reports about UFO sightings and celebrity gossip. that incident where a hundred american aircrafts got shot down was an excercise between the marines and IAF. the marines dont fly f-15s unlike the IAF. and not surprising, marines pilots are trained for ground support not air superiority like the air force or the navy.
2006-03-12 05:02:40
BVC
Member
+325|6923

Horseman 77 wrote:

Pubic wrote:

You know, if Iran adopted an anti-nuclear policy they could avoid a whole world of shit and they could even be best buddies with the US...oh, wait, my country tried that and the US told us to get fucked...
Care to elaberate  in another thread ?
Done.
2006-03-13 12:48:06
Horseman 77
Banned
+160|7065

herrr_smity wrote:

Horseman 77 wrote:

see-pie wrote:


Then why havnt they become partners with another country. Israel isnt the only country in the middle-east that will ally with America. Instead of creating problems with Iran they can try to associate with them. If they ally with them they will realize that Iran is in fact trying to creat a nuclear power station. Its just crzy Bush thats trying to be the police chief of the world trying to solv all the worlds problems.
$74,157,600,000

Let me get this straight .. We lend them  $74,157,600,000 So they will buy a 30,000,000 dolar fighter jet or 2 every 5 years from an American Company?

Strategic partner at the cost of   $74,157,600,000 Fuck that, sounds more like a leach or the Mafia.


Partner in what? their Wars ? Gee thanks but.... no thanks.

I wonder what oil would cost us if we took one half of that  $74,157,600,000 and gave it to Arab countries   

instead ?
noooo you lent them $74,157,600,000 to by weapons and shit the only reason that israel still exists are funds from the US.
the us is a partner of Israel thanks to all the  Jewish fanatics in the US that thinks that the jews are a chosen people by god, and that israel is the divine homeland of the jewish people.
and that includes President bush.
you  can not be elected to any office in the USA without pledging your

" undying support of israel "

Every politician here ( not just Bush ) has to say they  " Love and support israel "

or you will be savagely attacked by all forms of media.

So cut him some slack there.
2006-03-13 14:02:37
herrr_smity
Member
+156|6855|space command ur anus

Horseman 77 wrote:

herrr_smity wrote:

Horseman 77 wrote:


$74,157,600,000

Let me get this straight .. We lend them  $74,157,600,000 So they will buy a 30,000,000 dolar fighter jet or 2 every 5 years from an American Company?

Strategic partner at the cost of   $74,157,600,000 Fuck that, sounds more like a leach or the Mafia.


Partner in what? their Wars ? Gee thanks but.... no thanks.

I wonder what oil would cost us if we took one half of that  $74,157,600,000 and gave it to Arab countries   

instead ?
noooo you lent them $74,157,600,000 to by weapons and shit the only reason that israel still exists are funds from the US.
the us is a partner of Israel thanks to all the  Jewish fanatics in the US that thinks that the jews are a chosen people by god, and that israel is the divine homeland of the jewish people.
and that includes President bush.
you  can not be elected to any office in the USA without pledging your

" undying support of israel "

Every politician here ( not just Bush ) has to say they  " Love and support israel "

or you will be savagely attacked by all forms of media.

So cut him some slack there.
ok sorry

 

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