BF2S Forums Watching gang life on TV this morning where they came from and such.

We have blood and crip wannabees, kids who dress like homies and attack lone people in packs, and then go home to get tucked in by mum & dad.

The only real gangs here are the motorcycle gangs; Black Power, Mongrel Mob, Epitaph Riders are a few, and we even have a couple of Hells Angels chapters here.

And with increasing immigration from Asia there are triads etc, but they tend to stick to their own.

But with meth becoming ever-more-widely used, the whole gang scene is changing...

Erkut.hv wrote:

UnOriginalNuttah wrote:

BTW, whose checked out the link to the Myspace page for Gritty Committee, UK run tings proper.  Nuff respect to Sydez and the rest of DGC, that shit is heavy.

lol, real gangsters have myspace accounts.

If you have to broadcast that you are a gangster, you aren't a gangster. Real gangsters keep their fucking mouths shut.

Yeah, I know, but it sells records.  Would anyone say 50 Cent is a real gangster?

EDIT: But that's not to say that there is no truth in Hip Hop or Grime, but often music is a way of leaving that life behind.  So STFU.

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A real gangster having a webpage is not the best way to keep your activities quite.  It bring a major flag to the fed, they see a page and can find the user, then track the user and arrest them over things posted. There have been kids arrested in the US cause they had pics of them with Guns and drugs on there myspace account. So if he's the real deal he shouldn't want to bring attention to himself.

Damn straight erk, But I steared away from the gang thing. I was looking for the thugs, the hell's angels in the states are alot different then they are in other countries. They are legitiment gangs, run drugs and guns, there are the same in the states to but not to the caliber they are in Canada.

This made me remember something, there was a shotout when I was younger in hackettstown NJ between the Pagan Motercycle gang and the hells angels. Hackettstown is a small town with a police force of about 12, and the gun fight lasted something like 6 hours, 3 people dead. This was in the early 90's and there was alot of violence in NJ then.

I think it was like 12? It was a long time ago so I'm probably wrong and I can't find an artical about it on The web

Erkut.hv wrote:

UnOriginalNuttah wrote:

Yeah, I know, but it sells records.  Would anyone say 50 Cent is a real gangster?

EDIT: But that's not to say that there is no truth in Hip Hop or Grime, but often music is a way of leaving that life behind.  So STFU.

No, I would say he's a thug who got lucky in life.

John Gotti = Gangster

people who have to talk about crap they do/wish they could do = Not Gangsters

There is a diference between common thugs, and actual gangsters.

The Hell's Angles are at their base, a motorcycle club. They are not gangsters. Have members been involved in shady dealing? Absolutely. Do they produce recrods glamourizing the shit they've done? Absolutely not. They tend to keep their mouths shut, and let the dumbass wannabe gangsters shoot their mouths off to draw attention to themselves.

Back when I used to do what I used to do, I didn't tell ANYBODY. I did not broadcast anything I was involved in.

I'd call him a mobster.  And these days ex-Mafia members often help as consultants for Hollywood films showing the glamourous lifestyle they obtained through crime, which some might call glamourising what they done. 

Most UK gangsters don't give a fuck about broadcasting what they've done, they rely on fear and reputation and are used to gambling with their life on a daily basis, writing lyrics about what they do is the risk they take.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4248151.stm

Are you saying all of the Bloods and Crips who write about their old life in songs never did anything that they say they did?  Why did you ask what people know about 'Blood and Crip type gang problems, not soccer hooligan' type problems if you think that writing about the things you do/done means you aren't a gangster. 

If you look what the question asked at the top of the thread was....

cpt.fass1 wrote:

So I was watching this documentary about how gangs "started" in the US and I was wondering do other countries have alot of gang problems? Now I'm talking about the "Bloods and Cripts(spl)" type problems, not the soccor"football" holligans type.

....you'll see that it asks about Blood and Crip type gang problems.  Bloods and Crips were born out of drug sale territory disputes and violence to maintain dominance, and spread from LA throughout America.  There were loads of sets (or smaller gangs) claiming affilation to either group, and displaying gang colours (usually with doo-rags).  I'm saying that the same type of violence and turf wars occur, with the same effects of street violence and shootings, but here there are no (obvious) 'umbrella gangs'.  Some gangs model themselves on Yardie type violence and treatment of informers and thiefs, but they are never identified as anything other than 'gang members':

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/arti … =PA%20Feed

Yeah, they're thugs.  But does they mean they aren't gangsters as well?

EDIT:

And I'm not saying their aren't organised gangs here in the UK, yeah we've got the same syndicates hidden away as everyone else, I recommend Gangland Britain if you want to read about those.  But the problem on the street isn't gangs like these, even if that was where all the drugs and weapons originate.  This thread was asking if there were Blood and Crips type gang problems in other countries, so told you what I know.  Erkut.hv, if you think you were more hardcore you were than every single person who writes rhymes about what they've done, I won't bother to dispute that.  But I'll keep thinking that there are people who are proud to be psychotic, violent, outspoken gangsters who act like getting found guilty of murder is an achievement like the crew who killed Mary-Ann because they thought she set them up to get robbed.  One of them said 'Yo, Murda' when they found him guilty.  And for every gang crime they solve, there will be another 50 or 100 or more that aren't (mostly due to the fact that if it happens on an estate (you call them projects), no-one would dare to testify).  Sorry if you don't count that as a gang problem, just isolated thuggery, I just told you what I can without incriminating myself or anyone I know, coming from South London and having come across this type of shit first hand in the time I spent in squats and rough estates.  When it's common knowledge that some dealers on estates have hundreds of thousands in cash or drugs they tend to mean it if they say you're dead if you rob them.

Last edited by UnOriginalNuttah (2006-03-26 14:25:29)