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herrr_smity wrote:

iphtnax wrote:

herrr_smity wrote:

because you read something on an Islam psycho conspiracy page doesnt mean its correct.
if you look on the internet you will find every thing you look for
look here at my little example        http://www.betar.co.uk/articles/betar1072264293.php
saying i read it on the internet so it must be true isn't gonna cut it

I never saw that site before but it was a good find. I skimmed through it and it seemed to be accurate. Everyone should read it. All the bits I read can be backed up by reference to the Qur'an and Hadiths.

lol how about this then                 
http://archives.usemycomputer.com/index … piracy.jpg
my ridicule of you didnt seem to Cathe on

Jævlig bra!

Marconius wrote:

Terrorists commit atrocities, so the right-wingers feel that it's perfectly justifiable to bypass the Geneva Convention and basic regards of human rights, "Just to show 'em who's boss!"  They forget that in condoning this, they drop themselves to the level of the insurgents, where the insurgents will beat them with experience.

This is not me being an apologist.  My opinion is that America is better than torture, and our very nature as Americans is to denounce torture on all levels, no matter what outside parties are doing.  We are better than that, but many people such as that fascist xanthpi don't think so. 

I'll reiterate what I said in another way.  Never argue with an idiot.  They'll only drop you down to their level and then they'll beat you with experience.

No Marconius........"right wingers" know that you can NOT win a war like this where your enemy break ALL the "rules" of civilized nations and you are trying to fight with your hands tied behind your back.

The bottom line is these fanatics are insane, they are not afraid to die, simply because ( and it might be true) death and their "70 virgins" is a whole lot better a prospect than what their reality offers here on Earth.

Americans (except for you and the other apologists out there) have allot to live for and will fight like rabid dogs to perserve our way of life and our freedoms, even for those of you who don't deem it necessary to do so. Now, if a terrorist gets tortured along the way for information that helps perserve America and her children than so be it. If they don't like the way they are treated, or if YOU don't like the way they are treated, then they should think twice before they kill 3000 civilians in terror strikes or kidnap and behead everyone including their own people. I guess the intellegence community figured out years ago that they will not get much information form a terrorist by asking....................... pretty please with sugar on top tell me what you know.

Oh and by the way..............stop calling them insurgents............they are terrorist...............by you calling them insurgents implies they are victims..........the world is the victim, freedom is the victim

Liberty is bleeding and YOU are the cause lowing

what about the 10,000 Iraqi's who died during the war. are there blood worth less then american blood

herrr_smity wrote:

what about the 10,000 Iraqi's who died during the war. are there blood worth less then american blood

no they count very much..............up there with 100,000 people Sadam killed as president of Iraq during his genicidial episodes,,but it is ok we all should just sit back and watch it all happen

Marconius wrote:

lowing, you are blind.  Read my posts about Jose Padilla before being such an idiot.

Jose Padilla is a traitor and should be shot as such.........enough said about him

herrr_smity wrote:

well that's exactly what the world did. 9.11 was just a convenient excuse to invade.
and the US supplied Saddam with weapons during the 70`s and 80`s wile the killings were occurring.

Yes that is because Iran was the growing threat at the time. or do you not remember back that far??...back then taking hostages was just as popular then as it is today

imortal wrote:

Horseman 77 wrote:

I must find a good translation into English of the  koran [ Sp ] anyone know where to get one ??

The problem occurs with what KIND of translation you get.  It is coming to light that the English translation has been 'toned down' in its language, to seem not as extreme, and thus more acceptable to the American public. 

I have been told this, and have no proof.  Find someone who can read Arabic and can be objective, and let him show you the differences, if any.

There are enough problems with the Koran's interpretation in ARABIC, for goodness' sake. Written by a group of people who probably have no connection to each other (apart from hearing Muhammed talk), have very different views, and therefore very different interpretations. If Muhammed's in heaven, he would have probably slapped in forehead innumberable times and said 'WTF have you done to the holy book?'

Everybody calls it the Koran, but that's just a English version. It's proper name is the Qu'ran.

Spark wrote:

lowing wrote:

herrr_smity wrote:

Liberty is bleeding and YOU are the cause lowing

your wrong......liberty is bleeding with the deaths of over 3000 innocent Americans and your lack of intestinal fortitude to make sure it doesn't happen again.

They wouldn't be dead if you didn't root for an idiotic president and an idiotic war.

Their blood is on your hands.

Well buddy, that would be all well and good except that as you know, terrorism on American interest and on American soil dates back to Clinton. 

I can't even say that this post was a nice try..Actually it was pretty lame.........But when you have no real facts to base an arguement i can understand that you would reach at straws such as your post

Spark wrote:

Really? Name one terrorist attack on the US in the US before 9/11.

That doesn't count flights going into the US.

Those 3000 people WOULDN'T be dead if

A. You didn't vote in Bush

B. You didn't allow him to go to Iraq.

Simple as that.

UHHHHHHHH oooooooook, Beruit  bombing that killed 244 marines.............how about the attacks on the WTC in 1993??,the attack on the USS COLE, 1998 embassy bombing in Nairobi, and Tanzania or were all these before you were born....................oh and I could go on

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Spark wrote:

Really? Name one terrorist attack on the US in the US before 9/11.

That doesn't count flights going into the US.

Those 3000 people WOULDN'T be dead if

A. You didn't vote in Bush

B. You didn't allow him to go to Iraq.

Simple as that.

Forgot to add that
A. the 911 attacks were in planning during the Clinton administration.........voting for or against Bush had nothing to do with it.........

B.If Iraq didn't want us there then they shouldn't be in bed with terrorists and should have stuck to the UN resolutions that was put in place to end the first gulf war

Friluftshund wrote:

lowing wrote:

Spark wrote:

They wouldn't be dead if you didn't root for an idiotic president and an idiotic war.

Their blood is on your hands.

Well buddy, that would be all well and good except that as you know, terrorism on American interest and on American soil dates back to Clinton. 

I can't even say that this post was a nice try..Actually it was pretty lame.........But when you have no real facts to base an arguement i can understand that you would reach at straws such as your post

Not that its my place to object - but what on earth does your answer have to do with his post?

Sparl - Stupid President and stupid war...
lowing - Terrorism [...] dates back to Clinton...

Where is the logic? And you will have to admit that terrorism against US interests abroad doesn't compare to those felt at home. And 2001 was a terrorist attack that was felt.

So your post doesn't say very much about anything, except that terrorism has been around pre-2001. Good one...

Well simple..........he claims that the 911 attacks would never have happened if "I" didn't vote for Bush......So I just pointed out that terror attacks were occuring long before Bush was in office.

If you read further he also claims there were NO terror attacks before Bush....so I had to correct him on that little factoid as well.

Also, terrorism on Americans abroad may not compare to attacks at home, unless of course, it was your mother, father child killed in those attacks.

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