BF2S Forums Bush caught in a direct lie about Katrina

What I don't get, is when they know a hurricane is coming that might cause damage, why don't they set up the relief effort somewhere just north of the hurricane zone.  As soon as the hurricane blows through, move in for quick and effective relief.  The fact of the matter is, the people in New Orleans and the whole southern coastal area were warned about Katrina but they chose to stay.  Oops, their bad.

If you get a different video, just click on the large links to the right of the playing screen...like the one titled "President Warned before Hurricane."

Ok...the DAY BEFORE, he told the FEMA people that he would help out in any way possible.  Five days later, he claims to have had no briefing nor knowledge about the extent of the damage caused by Katrina!  THAT'S the topic.

Bush KNEW about it all, and SAID he'd do something about it, and then denied he knew anything about it a few days later.  What's not being understood here?

Oh SHUT THE FUCK UP.

sabotwulf wrote:

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I will be honost here, I do think that Bush has been screwing up a lot lately but I will defend him on this topic and ttry to put yourself in his shoes and look at the BIG picture and you can see that he did not lie but that everyone was "unprepaired".

If I were in his shoes, I wouldn't have tried to cover up his inability to muster the proper aid necessary with a bold-faced lie.

How can you say he didn't lie?  Did you not watch the video?  Have you not paid any attention whatsoever to the media and his press reports?  It's not a matter of being prepared or not, it's the FACT that he'd been briefed by FEMA, and then a few days later said he had never been briefed...

Not really, Erkut...just moderately annoying that we have been spending tax money on a Homeland Security department which has proven absolutely useless in a direct time of need...

It's never Bush's fault. You guys should know that by now.

Yes, Bush should have waved his magic wand, and New Orleans would be saved.  Bullshit, this topic is shwag.

Mayor Ray Nagen is the ultimate meathead here, as well the Democrat Governor that runs Louisiana.  The preperation should have been done at the state level, which it wasnt.

All i know is this:  If I live in a town that is 6 feet below sealevel, and you are surrounded by water on 3 sides, I AM GETTING THE FUCK OUTTA TOWN WHEN A HURRICANE COMES.  Gay Ray Nagen wasnt event competent enough to get the hundreds of school busses in order to cart off the folks that had no car to get out of the area.  Instead, the school busses were left in the parking lots, only to be left in 10' of water.

That must be Bush's fault, right?  If it goes wrong, it must be on him every time.  Blasphemy.  I am sick of these stupid ass posts about how Bush did this or didnt do that.  This Katrina crap is on all the people in the area that were told to evacuate, and didnt.  I dont have much sympathy for those folks.  Right now, they are getting ATM cards to with free money on them, and instead of bettering their situations, they are spending their money at the Titty bar.  Idiots.

It is not Bush's fault that Katrina hit and caused the devastation that it did.  It is not his fault that the recovery operation took a few days to get set up.  It IS the fault of the local government.  They are the people that know what resources they have, and are familiar with the roads/traffic patterns of the area.  They are the turd sandwiches that let those people down.

On a side note, Mayor Gay Ray Nagen said he wants to have a "chocolate city" in New Orleans.  What kinda half racist bullshit is that?  If I were mayor of New Orleans and I said that I wanted a "vanilla city", which basically implies that I dont want the blacks to come back, I would be beheaded in the press!!!!!  No one seems to care about this idiot making a statement like that.  This is why:

THE PRESS IS A BUNCH OF LIBERAL BAFOONS THAT WILL DO ANYTHING IN THEIR POWER TO UNDERMINE THE REPUBLICANS.  THEY PUSH THEIR GARBAGE AGENDA BY SLANTING ALL NEWS STORIES TO FIT THEIR OPINIONS.  THIS KATRINA STUFF IS NO DIFFERENT.  SOSDD.

Marconius wrote:

Not really, Erkut...just moderately annoying that we have been spending tax money on a Homeland Security department which has proven absolutely useless in a direct time of need...

I'm with you on that one. Waste of a Department. What's the NSA for? National Secuirty!!!!1!111!!

Diference between Homeland and National Security? Ugh, another department that can't get anything done, other than wasting our money.

IA_Ace_oF_H4DES wrote:

THE PRESS IS A BUNCH OF LIBERAL BAFOONS THAT WILL DO ANYTHING IN THEIR POWER TO UNDERMINE THE REPUBLICANS.  THEY PUSH THEIR GARBAGE AGENDA BY SLANTING ALL NEWS STORIES TO FIT THEIR OPINIONS.  THIS KATRINA STUFF IS NO DIFFERENT.  SOSDD.

You had some good points until you went ALL CAPS on that azz.

Marconius wrote:

The AP has released a video showing FEMA director Michael Brown briefing Bush about the dangers rising from Katrina.  The briefing happened a day before the hurricane hit, and it occurred as a result of a week-long email exchange between FEMA and the government.

Bush merely says at the end of the video that "We are fully prepared."  He wasn't engaged in the conversation, and just sat there with the same docile look on his face that he had when he was informed about the 9/11 attacks.

Four days after Katrina hit, Bush claims to have had no knowledge about the aid shortcomings, nor about how much damage had been done.  He's been caught in a lie, and he and Chertoff lose major credibility points while Brown has now proven to have been the least responsible of the Katrina aid blunders.

The story
The story from another source to help balance out any spin
The Video

I read a partial transcript.

President Bush's comments 4 days after Katrina, "I don't think anyone anticipated the breach of the levees."  You would have to define *is* in this situation...   Was there a chance the levees could break... yes.  Was the probability of them breaching 1.0 ... no.  Just like Clinton got off with the definition of 'is' so will Bush.

ockronnie wrote:

One day in advance is plenty of time for a military response by the way. The United States military operational readiness, even with Iraq allows for mobilization within 36 hours anywhere in the world. My two cents... Bush has bigger lies to fry, like, the fact that he proposed the Iraq war to cost only 1.7 billion dollars and how we are now exceeding the 250 billion dollar mark. His lack of credibility leads me to believe he knew more about 9/11 then has leaked to the general public, and Cheney's relationship with Middle Eastern Oil companies is also pretty suspicious if you ask me. The job of the president is to protect, all this one has done is made us vulnerable.

Does 36 hours apply to the National Guard?  They are the ones the Governor calls in... not the active military.

Order of government:
City, state, then federal. 

What should have happened:
President should not have waited for the governor to request help.  Governor should have had the National Guard in the next day.  Nagin should have evacuated with the school buses 2 days before the scheduled land fall.  But hind-sight is 20/20. 

Fault lies to Nagin and Blanco first.  Then FEMA and probably Bush for appointing Brown.

Last edited by wannabe_tank_whore (2006-03-02 12:03:46)