Maj.Do
Member
+85|6973|good old CA
i got two 250 gigs here and a raptor, i wanna use the raptor for games and all my screen shots for PS(3000screens).  Now the two 250s, i dont know i hear raid 0 can be bad when a drive fails? whats the chances of they fail? i hear raid 5 is reliable and kind of fast so which 1 should i choose

Edit: forgot raid 5 needs 3 drives damn
NO LIFE NITRO
Banned
+0|6861|Sydney, Aus
well i striped my 2 hdds so yeh raid 0 is better than 5 but also keep in mind that to raid your two hdds you must do it during a full partition of your pc
lewi
Member
+3|6867|Kalgoorlie, Western Australia
just use raid 1, if one drive fails, you have a backup...
x5shadow5x
Member
+1|6921
I think that you should use the raptor as the primary drive for windows and games. and then have the 250gbs raided so that the games and windows will load faster from the raptor then you will have this huge single driver (shown on windows when raided) for extra stuff like your screenshots, but use the raptor for application use
^DD^GRiPS
American Hillbilly
+12|7020|Long Beach, CA
you should use raid 1.  Your data will be the safest that way, its has your HDs running mirrored so if one fails you have a copy that runs as if you had 1 HD in the first place.  Raid zero is best with 2 fast low gig HDs.  I run raid 0 on 2 36G raptors and its awsome.  you could probably run raid 0 if you like though.  I have never had a problem with a HD in 2 years running raid 0 with my 2 raptors.  Do whatever makes you feel safe with your data.  I suggest raid 1 though.
Ptfo
^DD^GRiPS
American Hillbilly
+12|7020|Long Beach, CA

x5shadow5x wrote:

I think that you should use the raptor as the primary drive for windows and games. and then have the 250gbs raided so that the games and windows will load faster from the raptor then you will have this huge single driver (shown on windows when raided) for extra stuff like your screenshots, but use the raptor for application use
this suggestion is actually the best choice IMO.
Ptfo
Cyberwolf
Banned
+14|6913

x5shadow5x wrote:

I think that you should use the raptor as the primary drive for windows and games. and then have the 250gbs raided so that the games and windows will load faster from the raptor then you will have this huge single driver (shown on windows when raided) for extra stuff like your screenshots, but use the raptor for application use
My Raptor drives are in a RAID 0 array, have been since I got them (they are technically the pre-release testing drives...and they still haven't failed me...)

RAID 0 the rest. RAID 1 is pointless as it renders the other 250Gb drive useless for data storage. If any shit is that important, back it up to DVD. Unless your in a server environment, it's a waste of hardware to be bothering with RAID 1. If your completely anal, do RAID 0,1
-_{MoW}_-Assasin
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+13|6950|Australia
RAID 5 is you can afford it, RAID 0 for just 2 drives at performance
Skruples
Mod Incarnate
+234|6922
As someone else mentioned, raid 5 and raid 1 are designed more for server type environments, where hard drives going offline can cause the loss of vital data. A regular PC for home or gaming use will probably be obsolete before a hard drive fails, unless someone catastrophic happens. The only advantage of raid 5 over raid 0 is a slightly better read/write time (because data is distributed across 1 extra drive), and raid 5 can lose 1 drive and not lose any data. Raid 1 is pointless unless you absolutely positively must have the data on that drive no matter what. Unless both drives die at the same time, all your data will survive. Raid 1 is slightly faster than a single drive, but the worst of all the raid levels in terms of speed.

Raid 0 is the way to go if you just want speed. If you lose a drive then all your data will be gone as well, because each drive only stores half of any one file, but as I said the chances of a hard drive dying are minimal.
FathomsDown
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+19|6873|England
There seems to be quite a bit of confusion here about RAID levels and what they do. So for a quick overview..

RAID 0 (either concatination OR striping - you choose).

Concatination is where you stick the drives together to make one big drive. When the first drive is full the data slops over on to the second one.

Advantages - You can make HUGE virtual drives
Disadvantages - Not that fast and if one drive failes you loose all your data.

Spriping is where two or more drives are put together but the data is written/read from each drive in turn.

Advantages - You can make HUGE virtual drives and its writes are faster than concat, mirroring and RAID 5.
Disadvantages - One drive fails and you've lost all your data.

RAID 1

Mirroring is where data is written to two (or more) different drives at the same time. Its mainly used for drive protection as if a single drive fails you have another working copy of the data.

Advantages - Faster reads than concat drives. Low risk of data loss.
Disadvantages - Writes are slower than striping. "Wastes" one drives worth of data storage area to keep the mirror of the data.

RAID 5 - I'll skip the other RAID levels as they aren't used much.

RAID 5 uses 3+ disks to store data and partity information. The idea being, if a drive fails then the parity data on the other drives can work out what the missing drive contained. The downside is that the useable area on the drives must be the same and you "loose" the capacity of at least one drive for the partity data (ie if you have 2x 250 and 1x100 then the RAID 5 sive is 200Gb!).

Advantages - A good mix of protection and usable drive space. Writes are faster than a single drive.
Disadvantages - Uses disk space for parity information. Writes are slower than concat and mirrors.

RAID 0+1 - Stripe 'n mirror

This is a number of striped disks which are then mirrored by an identical stripe. It offers the best speed/protection compromise of all the RAID types.

Advantages - Gives you the best mix of speed and protection.
Disadvantages - Requires at least four physical drives, only two of which are usable capacity.

So what is the real desciding factor? It call comes down to cost. How much can you afford to spend? How valuable is your data? How much speed do you need? How good is your RAID controller? What modes does the RAID controller support? (most mobo controllers don't support RAID 5 for example).

For most PCs the disk subsystem isn't the bottleneck so I mirror or stripe and mirror most of the time. Why? I've had several HD failures over the past and I can't be ar*ed to re-install everything when one happens
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|6993|PNW

If you're doing alot of compression and rendering, then RAID0 can be an ideal choice. But back everything up now and then to some other media, in case something fails. But don't expect to load BF2 much faster, or anything.

RAID1 is nice on the outside, but many people use identical hard drives for it. Kind of ruins the point of a mirrored drive if they both fail in close succession, doesn't it. Also, the extra number of GB you paid for aren't getting put to work.

RAID0+1 is nice, but when one drive fails, it's a bitch to find out what went wrong, and even more of a bitch if corruption on one drive is mirrored to the backup.

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I have two WD Raptor 74GB's, and at first one might thing I've hooked them up on a RAID0 system. Nope, I have two different installations of Windows on each: WinXP 64 and WinXP Pro.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2006-02-23 05:08:02)

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