BF2S Forums Gun politics, firearms ownership, and US 2nd amendment discussion

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

i would like the laws to address the ability for criminals to procure guns - namely through straw purchases and stealing them from people who own guns.  I think the law should require that you store your guns behind lock and key when you are not home

I made a fast and furious post somewhere.

There are laws like that on the books.  Hell though man... It's my goddamn house and it is usually locked when I'm gone.  Satisfied?

I have a good gun safe.

i think it's much more likely that any dictatorship would try to get said people onside first.

hahahahahahaha

Shahter wrote:

Jay wrote:

Doctor Strangelove wrote:

This has actually gotten me thinking how funny it would be to watch a bunch of libertards with AR15s try to take down an Apache gunship.

I'd watch that movie, it'd be sweet.

Hey, you know what? In the 1:1,000,000 chance that someone did try to set up a dictatorship in their lifetime, they would at least fight.

they would? you are so naive it's not even funny.

Yea, because revolution never happens and governments never become unstable.  Never in a million... Wait, where do you live again? Oh.....

Shit happens more often than that.  Civil Wars occured (just skimming), from 1945 to 1990 averaged 20 a year..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_war# … since_1945

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For inevitable upcoming "comma" argument.

-Sh1fty- wrote:

At this point I think everybody agrees that gun laws won't get guns out of the hands of the bad guys. Guns are a great equalizer for people who aren't able to defend themselves otherwise and so I think they should be unrestricted so anybody can get any kind they want. Anybody that wants to go on a massive killing spree can do so even with regulations so I don't see why we should limit the honest people who have a passion for shooting things that aren't human.

There was a story the other day in the paper about a 14 year old that shot and killed an intruder while defending his 3 little siblings upstairs. Shit like that is why we need to arm the just. What could have happened to the kid and his 3 brothers and sisters warrants his possession of a firearm. What was he going to do, call the cops?

Yes I remember a similar story not too long ago of a woman who was barricaded herself in her bedroom and had a shotgun. She was on the phone to the police as the bad guy was breaking in and asked if she should shoot him. The police officer said she should do whatever she felt had to do. So she filled the bastard's chest with buckshot. A good example of why firearm ownership is a good thing. Search for "person shoots intruder' and I'm sure there's a large number of stories to back this up.

But I could quote countless other instances where some kid found his dad's gun and blew his head or his sibling's head off. Of a friend's head off. Or a parent's head off. There was the shooting of six year old Kayla Rolland by another six year old who found his uncle's handgun. There was that 16 year old Halo addict who fatally shot his mother and shot his father in the head over a Halo game. There was the 14 year old who shot and killed both his parents because he didn't want to do chores. There was a 12 year old Colorado kid who killed his parents and shot his siblings. There was a kid who found a gun in his police officer father's car and killed his seven year old sister. An 11 year old boy who shot and killed his father's pregnant girlfriend. A nine year old autistic girl who fatally shot her brother. A ten year old kid who accidentally killed his five year old brother after finding a gun.

I could go on and on. Some of these stories are down to unhinged people like the Halo one. So many others are kids coming across guns and accidentally shooting someone or themselves or otherwise having no idea about the ramifications of shooting someone, no idea about the finality of death even.

I could suggest a number of small things that I think would help the US with it's shootings. These measures would leave firearms accessible to anyone who wants them. I know the arguments against them but I think it's a matter of weighing the positives against the negatives. If the US really wants to lower the amount of accidental shootings or even shootings in general there are going to have to be sacrifices though.

For example, I would suggest instead of allowing everyone to keep an immediately fireable weapon around the house, require proper storage in a lockable rack or cabinet. Require ammunition to be stored separately and don't allow people to leave a weapon loaded. The trade off is that you won't have an immediately usable weapon. The plus is that you have now near completely negated the possibility that a young person will find and accidentally, (or purposefully,) use your weapon. You have also make it less likely that a bad person will steal your firearm which is a major problem in the US and one of the ways in which a great many offenders get their weapons. Personally I think the trade off is worth it though I imagine it is a matter of opinion.

I think overall there's an unhealthy attitude towards firearms in the US that probably isn't going to be changed through legislation if it can be changed at all. There are attitudes that no amount of argument will alter in the slightest.

I don't think the answer is to arm everyone though. More guns equals more gun deaths, it has always been as simple as that.

As a side note, can anyone explain to me why firearms should be a right rather than a privilege? And not in a historical concept I get why the Second Amendment was written, I just don't understand the need to have such a right.

I'm getting the idea that nobody actually bothered to read the orwell text I posted on the first page.

Anyway,

Ty wrote:

I could go on and on. Some of these stories are down to unhinged people like the Halo one. So many others are kids coming across guns and accidentally shooting someone or themselves or otherwise having no idea about the ramifications of shooting someone, no idea about the finality of death even.

Oh but that doesn't matter because statistically it's only less than 1% of the population that gets shot.

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Shocking wrote:

I'm getting the idea that nobody actually bothered to read the orwell text I posted on the first page.

Quoting Orwell is the most pretentious thing you can do in any political discussion. It also brings into question how educated you are.

I guess you guys dont think people in the military would love a chance to open fire on a crowd of anti government hippies.

Macbeth wrote:

Quoting Orwell is the most pretentious thing you can do in any political discussion.

It was relevant to the discussion you twit. Why does it matter whether or not Orwell wrote it? If it makes sense, it makes sense. I'd be more worried about your perception of his work as being for pretentious people really. I was hoping that by naming him in a post people would bother to read it before they'd continue on about the purpose of gun laws but oh well I guess all he ever wrote has been doomed to Macbeth's list of pretentious things. So much for that.

Macbeth wrote:

It also brings into question how educated you are.

This is probably one of the dumbest things you've ever said.

People who quote Orwell are usually the type of people who only read 1984 and Animal farm and think that makes them political experts. They are the kind of people who buy into conspiracy theories and think the government is or is about to trounce on their rights every second of the day. They also will endlessly bitch about republicans. Orwell only seems deep until you start reading real modern political science books and take some classes on the subject. After that you realize he hasn't been relevant since the 50's.

13rin wrote:

13urnzz wrote:

let's have a show of hands -
  who here honestly believed obama was coming for your guns? three and a half years ago, i couldn't find 9mm or .357 ammo. now sportsman's warehouse is spamming my inbox with all the sales they're having. the last three Crossroads of the West gun shows have featured more, and a bigger variety, of guns and rifles than the previous eight. it's like someone was orchestrating the hoopla and hype during the last election, and now that we're having another election, i haven't had a single problem buying or selling a rifle, handgun, or ammo.

*Raises hand*
Sorry B, going to have to disagree. 

Ammo is still a pain to get & the cost of it has doubled.

UN small arms treaty.  Fast & furious.  Etc...
Just with the statement of bring back that clinton 'assault weapon' ban illustrates his lack of knowledge in the area and adversarial opinion toward firearms.  Remember, he's a windy city guy and look how well that ban has gone.

UN small arms treaty uproar is retarded.  Weren't you a political science major?  Didn't you learn that the only way any rights given to US citizens through an amendment could be taken away is by repealing that amendment by passing a new one?