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2021-09-09 04:04:44
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

Many schools have multiple levels of classes based on aptitude. The issue with having multiple levels of math classes is that there is literally a shortage of math teachers. Filling one position is hard enough. And then funding...etc.

Wealthier schools will of course be better able to provide multi level courses and supports. The irony of the situation is that it is the poorest districts that need to up their support staff, tutors, etc.

Aside from the funding issues I have yet to hear a good solution to the problem of high achieving educators not wanting to teach in the ghetto. Not really fair to send some white girl straight out of school into an unsafe and unsupportive system. I have a white girl cousin who did that and instead of planning to stay in the classroom, she enrolled in an Ivy League principal program. I am so happy for her.
Rich districts and poor districts shouldn't even exist as a distinction in public schools for a country this wealthy. Nor healthcare, addressing malnutrition and hunger, homelessness, inequality in infrastructure, etc. It really is a self-own.

I don't want to ever hear about some cafeteria scooping some poor kid's lunch in the trash because of 45 cents in unpaid debt, but I won't get my hopes up.

Making bad area schools a safe place for teachers isn't something that can be addressed just at the school level. Much wider social issues at play.

e:
The Response: "well I had it bad so by golly they can have it bad too."
2021-09-10 04:54:40
SuperJail Warden
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Many schools have multiple levels of classes based on aptitude. The issue with having multiple levels of math classes is that there is literally a shortage of math teachers. Filling one position is hard enough. And then funding...etc.

Wealthier schools will of course be better able to provide multi level courses and supports. The irony of the situation is that it is the poorest districts that need to up their support staff, tutors, etc.

Aside from the funding issues I have yet to hear a good solution to the problem of high achieving educators not wanting to teach in the ghetto. Not really fair to send some white girl straight out of school into an unsafe and unsupportive system. I have a white girl cousin who did that and instead of planning to stay in the classroom, she enrolled in an Ivy League principal program. I am so happy for her.
Rich districts and poor districts shouldn't even exist as a distinction in public schools for a country this wealthy. Nor healthcare, addressing malnutrition and hunger, homelessness, inequality in infrastructure, etc. It really is a self-own.

I don't want to ever hear about some cafeteria scooping some poor kid's lunch in the trash because of 45 cents in unpaid debt, but I won't get my hopes up.

Making bad area schools a safe place for teachers isn't something that can be addressed just at the school level. Much wider social issues at play.

e:
The Response: "well I had it bad so by golly they can have it bad too."
If you mix poor and rich kids in the same district, the rich parents will yank their kids from the public school, put them in private, and then defund the public schools. Exactly what happened with white parents in the south when schools were desegregated.

I am not 100% clear how it works but the U.S. government is giving districts the ability to provide free lunch and breakfast services for students if they sign up for the USDA program.
The U.S Department of Agriculture is once again serving up the option of free meals in schools nationwide.

With the pandemic putting many Americans in a pinch, the USDA extended the National School Lunch Program Seamless Summer Option (SSO), which is typically only available during the summer months. Many school districts also offered free breakfast and lunches during the last school year.

By continuing the program, students will have options for free meals throughout the 2021-2022 school year in districts that choose to participate.
Some places are proudly declining the money because government welfare blah blah
A Wisconsin school board is under fire for scrapping a free meal program — suggesting that it could make kids “spoiled.”

The Waukesha School District opted out of a federally funded program that provided free lunch to all kids regardless of income in June, arguing that it could leave families “addicted” to free food, according to the Washington Post.

School board member Karin Rajnicek asserted that universal free meals ran the risk of making families “become spoiled,” according to the Post.
Her name is literally Karen. Somebody needs to break her jaw so she can spend some time on a liquid only diet.
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2021-09-10 08:06:34
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2021-09-10 08:14:01
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Rich parents are probably already sending their kids to private school, mac. We shouldn't have giant funding disparities between PUBLIC school districts. It really is a part of a big, snowballing problem.
2021-09-10 23:02:32
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RTHKI wrote:

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I M P E R A T O R
2021-09-11 00:23:50
unnamednewbie13
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Re: mac's deleted post

- teacher shortage, sweeten the deal for teachers, make it easier for people to go to afford college to get certified as one.
- "ideal world," schools should be funded for what they need to have the amount of classrooms they need, courses they need, supplies they need, and staff they need. country is rich enough to do this, instead (and ignoring stereotypical urban hellscapes for the moment) you got your upscale public schools and your podunk public schools.
- other things that need to be addressed: hunger, poverty, homelessness, accessibility to higher education. people with needs met probably less likely to grow up with a developmentally-impaired brain. this will address some of your disruptive people issues over time.
2021-09-11 07:38:57
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I think schools are getting off loaded with a lot of America's other problems. It really shouldn't be school's responsibility to feed kids 2 out of 3 meals a day. It shouldn't be the government's job at all either. But here we are.

It is scary how much we don't know about the causes of developmental disorders. Can you imagine if we someday found out toothpaste causes autism? Anyhow we do know enough to know that hungry kids have poor outcomes. You could pitch childhood nutrition as a public investment but pig people and all.
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2021-09-11 08:30:00
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That would suck because a tooth infection can spread to the brain and cause all manner of problems.

I'd consider the "free" (yes, yes, someone pays for it) lunches and breakfasts a good investment from taxpayers. Also partly contest "it isn't the government's job." Not ideally, no, but we can't have 300 million + Americans running around the woods surviving like we did as cavemen. Modern society should compensate. Totally for various welfare programs. Something blue collar conservatives who've struggled their way to stability should be able to sympathize with, but no. Everyone else needs to be doomed to unfairness and misery, tit-for-tat.

Ever read comments from people who are all like "my parents beat me and I turned out great!" as a capstone to particularly unhinged string of commentary?
2021-09-11 21:41:45
uziq
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

I think schools are getting off loaded with a lot of America's other problems. It really shouldn't be school's responsibility to feed kids 2 out of 3 meals a day. It shouldn't be the government's job at all either. But here we are.

It is scary how much we don't know about the causes of developmental disorders. Can you imagine if we someday found out toothpaste causes autism? Anyhow we do know enough to know that hungry kids have poor outcomes. You could pitch childhood nutrition as a public investment but pig people and all.
schools are 'in loco parentis' for the majority of young children's development, though. children spend basically as much (waking) time in the school environment – to say nothing of boarding schools – than they do in the home. they are thus obviously going to be sites of their emotional and personal development as well as their educational development; schools are important sites of socialization and are about more than just administering a dry body of knowledge from maths/sciences/humanities.

schools in europe manage just fine to feed children at least one square meal a day. it's really a minor tax expense in the grand scheme of things. france, finland, the netherlands, etc, all do a really top-rate job of it for something like a 1/3rd of the price that american schools spend (waste) on food. (this reminds me of your healthcare system: the biggest expenditure of any nation on earth for massively inefficient, decidedly mid-ranking results when considered relative to cost.)

a school canteen is a pretty good place to 'educate' children on balanced diets, good nutrition, proper eating habits, etc. it's a depressing given that many households, especially from precarious backgrounds, will skip on this stuff, essentially riddling children with poor diet and physical/mental problems for their remaining lives – whether it's a mouth full of caries, diabetes, or just poor dieting choices period. i know this sounds like 'socialism' but it's not really a scary restriction of freedom to point out the obvious: every institution which we pass through in our lives, whether schooling in childhood or corporates in adulthood, shape our human behaviour and development.

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2021-09-11 22:52:56
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Re: mac's deleted post

- teacher shortage, sweeten the deal for teachers, make it easier for people to go to afford college to get certified as one.
- "ideal world," schools should be funded for what they need to have the amount of classrooms they need, courses they need, supplies they need, and staff they need. country is rich enough to do this, instead (and ignoring stereotypical urban hellscapes for the moment) you got your upscale public schools and your podunk public schools.
- other things that need to be addressed: hunger, poverty, homelessness, accessibility to higher education. people with needs met probably less likely to grow up with a developmentally-impaired brain. this will address some of your disruptive people issues over time.
Planning to make the future a better place is socialist though.
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2021-09-12 00:27:10
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It's sometimes more complicated than that. Some people think that whatever current flavor-of-the-month conservatism is the best way to make the future better. Which is bolstered by stuff like climate change denialism ("what if the consensus is wrong" is probably more exciting to them than "what if the consensus is right"), or having been assimilated by the likes of Rand during their tender school years. "Socialism bad, Ayn Rand knew. Ayn Rand grew up in Soviet Russia <never mind she was born in '05 and left in '26>. Let me spin the topic into a loose summary of Atlas Shrugged, or Anthem, or whatever."

I think that schools in a way are partly to blame for people's unwillingness to be wrong. Being wrong isn't an opportunity to learn. It's a matter of stress, punishment, humiliation, and bad marks (even science class for crying out loud). The last thing you want to be, or want to admit to, is "wrong." Is it any wonder that some people internalize this into adulthood?

How to handle being incorrect, fail, or lose, is a lesson that sometimes just doesn't get imparted.
2021-09-12 01:03:08
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not to defend ayn rand, literally one of the most hapless and indefensible writers/'thinkers' of the last century, but being in russia from 1905–1926 hardly discredits her dim view of the soviet union. she was there during the numerous revolutions and civil strife (bolshevik and menshevik power struggle was roughly contemperaneous to her childhood there; many mensheviks left or were exiled in the same period). the consolidation of soviet power was a bloody and turbulent prologue to the soviet union proper.

vladimir nabokov was also part of the noble, 'white russian' generation who left russia after the revolution and went, via cosmopolitan centres like berlin/paris/london, to the new world and america. a writer of an entirely different genius and calibre who also disavowed the soviet union and communism for his entire life, despite never directly experiencing life under the regime. being there during the early days was clearly enough to see which way the wind was blowing.

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2021-09-12 05:50:18
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She did have a good reason to despise communism and write against it. As a teen, she supported Kerensky over the Tsar. And then the Bolsheviks took over from that and the family business was confiscated (e: not the only reason, ofc).

But some of her die-hard fans (who by the way will die on a hill for how great her books are, or won't for a second look at her ideas with an inkling of critical thought), seem to be under the impression that she struggled for many more years under the Soviet Union. Or that she was an infant under Lenin and suffered under Stalin or something, who knows. Either their timelines are seriously mixed up or they're confusing that for her trying to get her family out of the country after she emigrated from it.

I don't think you have to be currently living in a country to have an opinion on the situation there at all, that wasn't my point.
2021-09-12 10:41:25
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There seems to be this persistent, unspoken notion in some Rand fans (lots of boomers, gen x-ers, even some millennials I've spoken with), that because she was critical of the Soviet Union, that all her other ideas must sound. This jump is made in conversations missing several points in the connect-the-dots along the way. It's should be glaringly obvious to them, but is overlooked anyway.

I'm at a loss with how to comprehensively argue with it, and I don't know if it's possible with normal conventions. I always feel like I'm getting slapped in the face with the well-worn "Nazis supported animal rights, y'know" comedy trout. OK so animal welfare is bad because of that, nice.
2021-09-22 13:54:10
SuperJail Warden
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I am a "X in Charge" for 40 minutes everyday. I have three adult subordinates. The admin above me during that time delegates orders and also completely leaves me to manage everything from start to finish.

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I never thought of myself as a leader of adults but is surprising how quickly people conform if you are friendly, confident, and take the initiative. I might actually do a M.A. in X Leadership someday.
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2021-09-23 15:12:48
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Signed the offer letter today. First day is 10/11.

I planned on seeing some relatives on in 3 weeks but I guess I'll have to either cancel or shorten my trip.
2021-09-23 15:45:05
SuperJail Warden
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Executive route position? You took my advice?
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2021-09-23 15:51:34
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Yes

New car, new job, new girl. 2021 is the refresh year for KJ
2021-09-23 19:15:04
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2021-09-24 11:42:44
KEN-JENNINGS
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^^ that pretty much sums up how I feel.

Resignation letter was sent about an hour ago. Couldn't help but laugh when I received two out of office responses. Hope they are back within the next two weeks!
2021-09-28 10:45:48
RTHKI
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My new office is in a hallway so people walk by all the time. No matter which way they go they look in, even if it means looking behind them. It's mildly annoying
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2021-09-28 10:48:33
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My work is trying really hard to retain me. I've even had the founder/chairman of the parent company reach out to me. It definitely feels good to be so wanted, but also fuck them for not caring before now. It really is very bittersweet.
2021-09-29 02:52:10
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The effect of my colleague quitting has just started to percolate through the company, the super smart dudes who thought they were so clever they could just skip any handover - handover of a unique and tricky black art - are now struggling to deliver on one new project and to troubleshoot existing production, with a whole crapload of other stuff in the pipeline. On what I've seen they've made a string of the most basic schoolboy errors and now they're fucked.
My colleague handled all this serenely, as you have to, with things going wrong other things pile up very quickly and it gets nasty.

Meanwhile the great plan the new 'Executive' GM has been working on for a whole year is to - dun dun dah - do a rebranding exercise ie update the boxes.

It occurred to my manager to ask me for a five minute status update before I leave, ~20 projects in various stages of torpor thanks to everyone who needs to do their bit so I can then complete them having been prioritised onto other things.
He got progressively more ratty through the meeting so I'm glad its over.

The creepy QA guy, lets call him Mr Turdszak, scheduled a meeting on my last day to pick my brains on an old project from five years ago which is being reactivated - it should have happened a year ago but the stupid contracts cow failed to order the custom ICs by the due date.

Naturally I ignored him.

The first thing they'll have to do is figure out how to put back together the machine I dismantled five years ago for cleaning and servicing. If its not done perfectly it won't work and will have to be drained and reassembled - at least a day's work.

They'll be lucky if the robot fires up, if it doesn't they'll be fucked there too. It was flaky last time and hasn't been switched on since, and you have to know secret handshakes just to talk to it. Its obsolete and if anything goes wrong its a write-off and $20,000 for a new one.
Most likely the battery in the bespoke and unobtainable memory card is beyond dead.

Then they'll have to purchase five new ovens, to replace the five beautiful, irreplaceable, locally made ovens that my idiot manager sent to auction a month ago even though I told him not to. He seems more perverse than stupid, its very weird.

I am enjoying this, and have taken great pleasure in reminding them that the last time I left it took two people to replace me - one of whom was me.

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2021-09-29 02:57:23
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

My work is trying really hard to retain me. I've even had the founder/chairman of the parent company reach out to me. It definitely feels good to be so wanted, but also fuck them for not caring before now. It really is very bittersweet.
The only thing they care about is the loss of revenue or extra work for them your leaving will trigger.
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2021-09-29 12:28:55
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Dilbert_X wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

My work is trying really hard to retain me. I've even had the founder/chairman of the parent company reach out to me. It definitely feels good to be so wanted, but also fuck them for not caring before now. It really is very bittersweet.
The only thing they care about is the loss of revenue or extra work for them your leaving will trigger.
At the end of the day, this is true.

It's one of several reasons why i prefer public over private sector.

 

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