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That would be interesting.

I've estimated there's about 5-10 tonnes of lead in the bullet trap at my range, we do need to clear it out.

I may have to start manufacturing primers as there's a global shortage.

Dilbert_X wrote:

That would be interesting.

I've estimated there's about 5-10 tonnes of lead in the bullet trap at my range, we do need to clear it out.

I may have to start manufacturing primers as there's a global shortage.

i'll copy you some stuff i've checked today. i'll put it in spoiler tags and probably delete it later because i don't want to get into hot water for intellectual property reasons.

Spoiler (highlight to read):
After the HK416 (Heckler & Koch, Germany) had been introduced for the Norwegian army in
2006, soldiers became ill with flu-like symptoms after training. Repeated exposure to high
concentrations of emitted fumes, consisting of particles and gases, gave acute respiratory
symptoms. It was found that the newly-introduced steel core ammunition, NM229, had
generated more copper (Cu) and zinc (Zn) than the lead core ammunition, SS109, that it had
replaced [119, 120].

Lead has also been much used in small arms
ammunition projectiles, which have typically consisted of a copper outer shell with a
lead/antimony core material. Around 100 000 tonnes of lead is dispersed into the EU
environment from sports shooting, hunting and fishing activities each year
(https://echa.europa.eu/hot-topics/lead- … ng-weights).
People, especially hunters and sports shooters are exposed to lead mainly through inhalation
and ingestion. Exposure to lead has resulted in various illnesses, such as CVD (cardiovascular
disease) and peripheral arterial disease [126]. Ninety-nine percent of fired lead shot ends up in
the environment (99%) [127]. Lead is dissolved by the ground water and is absorbed into the
flora and contaminates the surface water [128]. Dire consequences have been observed for
wildlife, such as earthworms [129] and scavenging or predatory animals, such as bald eagles
[130-133].

that hasn't been copy-edited by me because i'm copying it verbatim from the authors' submitted manuscript PDF.

The army has a new rifle that comes with a suppressor by default. You don't even need thousands of points to unlock it.

From what I was told rifle suppressor tends
to send gas straight back to the shooter's face. I wonder if that will become a problem.

Lead shot and lead bullets are two different things, most lead bullets are collected up.

Rural folks with gun ranges in their backyard are turning their homes into EPA cleanup sites. I am sure they will blame the gays in NYC when their grandchildren get lead poisoning because they rolled around in the open fire pit in their backyard.

And please don't misunderstood me...I support them in this endeavor 100%.

uziq wrote:

thanks to this discussion i just sent the author a fact-checking query because i'm quite sure that 100,000 tonnes is way too much even for europe's hunters/fishers/nerdlings.

I would have to do some research but it sounds like a big number, OTOH every time some moron takes a pot-shot at a pigeon with a 12 bore thats an ounce of lead launched into the environment, and the spanish etc blast anything which flies over. But I thought Europe mandated non-lead shot now?

Seems like 100,000 tonnes is not so far off, but I would guess a lot of the 'sport shooting' number is eventually recovered, or will be.
https://echa.europa.eu/hot-topics/lead- … ng-weights

Not forgetting military danger area ranges where the bullets get spread over miles and miles, not collected in a backstop.

There is nothing good about lead in the environment, but the impact is actually limited, in most places it forms an oxide layer and takes 1,000s of years to dissolve. Unless its actually eaten by an animal where hydrochloric acid disssolves it or is in a wetland quickly its not really a big deal, there is always lead in the environment at some level.

The simple answer is to mandate non-lead projectiles where the projectile won't be recovered.

uziq wrote:

apparently so, but from what i've read lately (and i'm now obviously an expert), it sounds like america is way ahead of the rest of the world with munitions and safe disposal

Is this the same america which used agent orange and has dumped umpteen tonnes of DU across the ME quite recently?
https://paxforpeace.nl/news/overview/us … um-in-iraq

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2022-10-15 21:40:45)

Dilbert_X wrote:

The simple answer is to mandate non-lead projectiles where the projectile won't be recovered.

apparently so. but the replacement materials aren't uncomplicated, either. apparently a lot of the copper-based is less effective and has worst outcomes for the animals or eventual targets.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Is this the same america which used agent orange and has dumped umpteen tonnes of DU across the ME quite recently?
https://paxforpeace.nl/news/overview/us … um-in-iraq

well, duh, but i was referring to the maintenance, testing, and disposal of their own stock. their facilities are predictably leagues ahead of most other nations.

funnily enough i'm not editing a book that's cataloguing america's war crimes.

Last edited by uziq (2022-10-16 03:10:06)

you could do 9 vols on the life of henry kissinger alone.

A student who was removed from my roster showed up after being suspended for fighting. She was not supposed to be in my class.

She has an emotional behavioral disorder. I had to try to deal with that at the start of my observation. I am apoplectic.

Dilbert_X wrote:

One of the heifers at work seems to have taken a shine to me.

Now I can't go to any social functions.

Not that I really planned to, but its nice to have the option.

y u referring to your colleague as cattle lmao

I highly suggest you create uncomfortable work environments by romancing your coworkers. There's nothing like having to sit next to a substitute teacher you [redacted]. There's nothing your boss making you give a presentation to a room with half dozen women you either hooked up with, led along or got led along by. Happy you will be when you have to sit in a professional development group meeting with them too. It is a lot of fun having to sit and watch them give a presentation.


Next year will be my first year of formal mentoring. There's nothing that can go wrong.

Did they ever give you a cookie for uncovering the fraud?