Religions of the world Thread

2012-07-03 07:07:42

#426

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6896|Canberra, AUS

metaphysics at a semi-rigorous, mathematical level has taken off in the last century. godel, turing and others set the foundations, and since then there has been some freaky, freaky shit come out that even the most hardcore empiricist has to stop and think "hmm..."

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2012-07-03 07:28:37

#427

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5400|Sydney

Jay wrote:
Jaekus wrote:
A lot of mathematical concepts and constructs do draw inspiration from the world around us (Fibonacci sequence for example). The statement wasn't that it would be replicated EXACTLY the same, it is saying that because science is based upon fact and proof it would be rebuilt towards the same knowledge, unlike religion, which is based upon fables thought to be as actual happenings.
Fibonnaci sequence has nothing to do with the natural world. It's a mathematical toy. Dan Brown made it famous because it sounded cool.

I know about it because I studied it when I was 12, not because of an author.

2012-07-03 08:17:27

#428

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5807

Shut up, Jaekus. Jay is very well read. In a few post he will start dropping Hegel's metaphysics on you.

2012-07-03 09:16:23

#429

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5579|London, England

Macbeth wrote:
Shut up, Jaekus. Jay is very well read. In a few post he will start dropping Hegel's metaphysics on you.

It's basic Calculus II stuff.

Why do you even post on this forum anymore you creepy little fuck?

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2012-07-03 09:18:44

#430

eleven bravo: Member; +1,399|5480|foggy bottom

trolled

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2012-07-03 12:21:05

#431

Ilocano: buuuurrrrrrppppp.......; +341|6888

Spark wrote:
metaphysics at a semi-rigorous, mathematical level has taken off in the last century. godel, turing and others set the foundations, and since then there has been some freaky, freaky shit come out that even the most hardcore empiricist has to stop and think "hmm..."

Because God made it that way....

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2012-07-03 15:31:03

#432

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5400|Sydney

eleven bravo wrote:
trolled

2012-07-04 06:43:28

#433

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5400|Sydney

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2012-07-04 07:33:54

#434

Superior Mind: (not macbeth); +1,755|6914

The basic practices of math and science were and are employed by all humans, through all the ages of men. To test, experiment, and count, and to realize patterns is the natural way for us. However, I do not think that our current body of scientific knowledge would be recreated as it is should it somehow be lost.

For millions of years our ancestors have utilized the scientific method to approach the world and to know the cosmos. Cultures have had highly variant bodies of knowledge, and some had even attained a complexity and confidence that we find ourselves within today. The universe/life is obviously mysterious and stretches far beyond what we can say we know. It took western civilization a couple of thousand years of studying the material world to understand that it is in fact immaterial and that we and everything around us is composed of energy. Other systems of knowledge have been built up in the opposite manner, beginning with the assumption or the knowledge that the universe we can look at and we ourselves are illusory. So, how did past cultures come to these conclusions that we can say deal in some truth if they didn't have physics and high powered optics to understand the cosmos and know of atoms and their parts?

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2012-07-04 10:30:12

#435

Shahter: Zee Ruskie; +295|6997|Moscow, Russia

Superior Mind wrote:
It took western civilization a couple of thousand years of studying the material world to understand that it is in fact immaterial and that we and everything around us is composed of energy.

what "western civilization"?

if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.

2012-07-04 10:34:10

#436

eleven bravo: Member; +1,399|5480|foggy bottom

stupid russian

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2012-07-04 10:39:24

#437

Superior Mind: (not macbeth); +1,755|6914

I was speaking generally of the tradition of science that we presently utilize in the first world. Now that that is clarified you may continue reading my statement.

Obviously the geographical significance of the word Western is less relevant today.

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2012-07-04 11:48:46

#438

Shahter: Zee Ruskie; +295|6997|Moscow, Russia

Superior Mind wrote:
I was speaking generally of the tradition of science that we presently utilize in the first world. Now that that is clarified you may continue reading my statement.

Obviously the geographical significance of the word Western is less relevant today.

what you call "science of western civilization" was affected so much by the rest of the world over the course of its development that today its totally non-existent as a separate "tradition". arabs invented algebra, a slav invented periodic table of elements, others contributed so much that crediting modern science and its discoveries to "western civilization" would be much like mormons claiming that christianity is american - ridiculous.

if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.

2012-07-04 11:49:44

#439

eleven bravo: Member; +1,399|5480|foggy bottom

steve jobs invented mp3's

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2012-07-04 13:05:01

#440

ROGUEDD: BF2s. A Liberal Gang of Faggots.; +452|5610|Fuck this.

I invented farts.

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2012-07-04 13:23:24

#441

Superior Mind: (not macbeth); +1,755|6914

Shahter wrote:
Superior Mind wrote:
I was speaking generally of the tradition of science that we presently utilize in the first world. Now that that is clarified you may continue reading my statement.

Obviously the geographical significance of the word Western is less relevant today.
what you call "science of western civilization" was affected so much by the rest of the world over the course of its development that today its totally non-existent as a separate "tradition". arabs invented algebra, a slav invented periodic table of elements, others contributed so much that crediting modern science and its discoveries to "western civilization" would be much like mormons claiming that christianity is american - ridiculous.

Super cool story. Why are you stating obvious and known things? This has nothing to do with my original statement.

x

2012-07-04 15:24:41

#442

Shahter: Zee Ruskie; +295|6997|Moscow, Russia

Superior Mind wrote:
Why are you stating obvious and known things?

because for the better part of the time period when so called "modern science" existed - which is 200 to 250 past years - there's been no such thing as "western civilization", let alone its "tradition of science" which never existed in the first place. that's a pretty obvious thing that you fail to grasp for some reason. "that's what we utilize in the first world" you say? well, you know what, sherlock, most others use - and participated in the development of - that same stuff.

re-phrasing your original statement, "it took human civilization, not any one single branch of it, a couple of thousand years of studying the material world to understand that it is in fact immaterial and that we and everything around us is composed of energy."

if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.

2012-07-04 15:27:05

#443

FatherTed: xD; +3,936|6721|so randum

sp just smokes weed and thinks he intelligent or something, ignore him

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2012-07-04 15:57:02

#444

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5400|Sydney

Semantics, yay!

*yawn*

2012-07-04 16:05:49

#445

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5807

Shahter wrote:
Superior Mind wrote:
Why are you stating obvious and known things?
because for the better part of the time period when so called "modern science" existed - which is 200 to 250 past years - there's been no such thing as "western civilization"

wait wat? Seriously ???

Technological innovation in the past 400+ years has come overwhelmingly from western European countries and their spawn.

2012-07-04 21:59:17

#446

Superior Mind: (not macbeth); +1,755|6914

FatherTed wrote:
sp just smokes weed and thinks he intelligent or something, ignore him

Totally sober Teds.

Shater, I do realize what you are saying about western civilization, and I agreed with you. Get past it and address my original statement or don't bother commenting.

x

2012-07-05 05:51:41

#447

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5579|London, England

Dunno why shahter gets bent out of shape when the word western is used. Russia was considered part of 'the west' from the time of peter the great up to the bolsheviks. Euler did a ton of good work while living in st petersburg.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2012-07-05 06:20:01

#448

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6896|Canberra, AUS

i still regard russian mathematicians as probably the best in the world tbh.

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2012-07-05 08:13:11

#449

Shahter: Zee Ruskie; +295|6997|Moscow, Russia

Jay wrote:
Russia was considered part of 'the west' from the time of peter the great up to the bolsheviks.

the thing is - we, the russians, never did.

if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.

2012-07-05 08:14:01

#450

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5579|London, England

Shahter wrote:
Jay wrote:
Russia was considered part of 'the west' from the time of peter the great up to the bolsheviks.
the thing is - we, the russians, never did.

Your aristocrats certainly did.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
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