Employee "rights."

2011-10-06 10:48:52

#1

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,053|6989|PNW

This is something we do at my business. The time clock is right next to the warehouse door, and the camera watches this door, the time clock and the office door. A couple of my buddies online, when told of it, have expressed reservations. One even thought it was a bit tyrannical, that it "keeps everyone but the boss honest." So I couldn't imagine union guys, if we had any, would much care for it.

If you don't review it regularly, all it is is mild deterrent. Hooked up to a DVR, it's evidence. We caught someone punching in for other people who hadn't shown up yet not because of the camera but through a surprise inspection of the time cards.

IMO, we pay fairly ($teens/hr based on ability and reliability) and cover the entire day from when they show up to work or the warehouse (whichever comes first) to when they leave the job or warehouse...including meal times but not personal errands.

2011-10-06 11:04:44

#2

SEREMAKER: BABYMAKIN EXPERT √; +2,187|6785|Mountains of NC

yep

i've got a few cameras in areas ( not just sales floor ) but inventory room/shipping & receiving

we use the scan card system for employees and it has paid itself off several times

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2011-10-06 13:28:00

#3

Christbane: Member; +51|6452

if I had more employees I would sure as hell do it. and for damn sure if I had union employees.

2011-10-06 13:49:11

#4

Pug: UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate; +652|6759|Texas - Bigger than France

Aim at door. Put puncher by door.

"It's for watching the door, the punch card machine is just next to it"

2011-10-06 13:54:40

#5

Hurricane2k9: Pendulous Sweaty Balls; +1,538|5919|College Park, MD

Why not? It's not a violation of any right if you ask me. It's a prevention measure... first year accounting really.

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2011-10-06 14:30:52

#6

Dauntless: Admin; +2,249|6959|London

Hurricane2k9 wrote:
Why not?

2011-10-06 15:08:56

#7

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5396|Sydney

My old job we had a thumb / index finger scanner as a means of signing on and off.

The GM was on a salary, and lived at the hotel. All other employees were required to use this system.

I think it is fair. If you are turning up to work on time and leaving when you are meant to, it is unfair if others are getting away turning up late or not at all, and still being paid the same as you.

2011-10-06 16:19:23

#8

AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6370|what

I've got a security pass to access the lift and subsequent floor that I work on. Has happened at the 3 companies I've worked in so far. But the only ones who watch it are the security guards anyway.

If an employee won't be missed until you check their punch cards, do you really think you need a security camera?

2011-10-06 18:56:27

#9

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,053|6989|PNW

I wonder who voted "no," and why.

SEREMAKER wrote:
yep

i've got a few cameras in areas ( not just sales floor ) but inventory room/shipping & receiving

we use the scan card system for employees and it has paid itself off several times

So how does the scan card system work for you guys? It would solve the issue of them stamping a card on the wrong spot, but perhaps not the bigger one of them forgetting to punch in or out, or the lesser one of splitting it between a crew on a a long distance job and one that stays local. It might sound cynical of me, but some of our guys, er, forget to put their thinking cap on when they come to work.

AussieReaper wrote:
I've got a security pass to access the lift and subsequent floor that I work on. Has happened at the 3 companies I've worked in so far. But the only ones who watch it are the security guards anyway.

We're not big enough for a dedicated security guard, and the camera allowed us to scroll back and verify who stamped in for a buddy this morning. Only caught it because we had the foreman check cards today and found someone who stamped in who hadn't shown up yet.

AussieReaper wrote:
If an employee won't be missed until you check their punch cards, do you really think you need a security camera?

It does provide us with evidence via DVR.

2011-10-06 19:10:06

#10

SEREMAKER: BABYMAKIN EXPERT √; +2,187|6785|Mountains of NC

unnamednewbie13 wrote:
I wonder who voted "no," and why.
SEREMAKER wrote:
yep

i've got a few cameras in areas ( not just sales floor ) but inventory room/shipping & receiving

we use the scan card system for employees and it has paid itself off several times
So how does the scan card system work for you guys? It would solve the issue of them stamping a card on the wrong spot, but perhaps not the bigger one of them forgetting to punch in or out, or the lesser one of splitting it between a crew on a a long distance job and one that stays local. It might sound cynical of me, but some of our guys, er, forget to put their thinking cap on when they come to work.

system works perfectly, all our back doors are set up that if they open with out scanning the fire alarm goes off ....... to get in or out they have to scan to unlock the door, so theres no " stealing of company time "

if they forget their card then they have to find me or the secretary and either one of us manually punch it in the system .... but they can only go and come through the customer entrance/exit and with a camera at the front I know the times

our courier drivers are set up differently .... for contracted jobs ... we allready know the mileage and drivers get paid by the job ... if its a random urgent courier job, then we get mileage before and after and compare it to google maps to make sure the driver didn't take the A - Z route instead of A - B route

2011-10-07 00:22:38

#11

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,813|6323|eXtreme to the maX

Not a problem, why would anyone object?

Fuck Israel

2011-10-07 00:30:12

#12

-Sh1fty-: plundering yee booty; +510|5691|Ventura, California

We don't have security cameras at my job. I think it's perfectly reasonable to have a camera pointing at the clocking in/out machine. If anybody complains it's because they want to abuse the system.

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2011-10-07 02:52:01

#13

tazz.: oz.; +1,338|6392|Sydney | ♥

If I ran my own business, I'd would monitor everything that ever happened inside the building.

Shit i'd even set up proxies to monitor internet usage.

Every packet i would log.

Cameras would be everywhere to ensure no-one is doing anything illegal.

in b4 Employee Morale hurr durr!

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2011-10-07 09:39:33

#14

SEREMAKER: BABYMAKIN EXPERT √; +2,187|6785|Mountains of NC

tazz. wrote:
If I ran my own business, I'd would monitor everything that ever happened inside the building.

Shit i'd even set up proxies to monitor internet usage.

Every packet i would log.

Cameras would be everywhere to ensure no-one is doing anything illegal.

in b4 Employee Morale hurr durr!

I don't see cameras hurting Morale with how it is in this day and age .... you can't cross the street in a major city without being on 6 cameras, almost all large chain stores have a camera at the front door with a monitor showing you on camera

its what our society has become ... an all seeing all knowing

2011-10-07 10:47:07

#15

jord: Member; +2,382|6895|The North, beyond the wall.

we just have a manger that walks round doing a register in the morning, no need to camereas really...

its pretty good because he does it at 8:15 when we start at 8 and i've been 10 minutes late like 5 times.

2011-10-08 03:55:47

#16

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,813|6323|eXtreme to the maX

I have set objectives, which are flexible and change often, I have to deal with problems if things go wrong.
Those are my hours.

Punchcards, video-cameras and so on are for non-creative workplaces.

Getting creativity out people is an art form.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2011-10-08 03:56:26)

Fuck Israel

2011-10-12 04:34:09

#17

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,053|6989|PNW

SEREMAKER wrote:
... to get in or out they have to scan to unlock the door, so theres no " stealing of company time "

Our company's small enough that our guys do a variety of jobs, including driving. There would be enough manual "punch-ins" by the supervisor to make security measures like that difficult to implement. Besides which, I think the free lunch breaks are a magnanimous gesture on our part.

Dilbert_X wrote:
I have set objectives, which are flexible and change often, I have to deal with problems if things go wrong.
Those are my hours.

Punchcards, video-cameras and so on are for non-creative workplaces.

Getting creativity out people is an art form.

Wat.

2011-10-14 17:28:00

#18

TSI: Cholera in the time of love; +247|6198|Toronto

I agree with the idea, yes. Employees can't really expect to have their performance taken for granted.

Last job I worked, my secretary and I would lounge in my pool all day, and check forms there. Always funny when my employees would come in for meetings/reviews and such.

I like pie.

2011-10-14 17:29:49

#19

KEN-JENNINGS: I am all that is MOD!; +2,978|6849|949

TSI wrote:
I agree with the idea, yes. Employees can't really expect to have their performance taken for granted.

Last job I worked, my secretary and I would lounge in my pool all day, and check forms there. Always funny when my employees would come in for meetings/reviews and such.

aren't you like 20?

2011-10-14 18:32:05

#20

TSI: Cholera in the time of love; +247|6198|Toronto

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
TSI wrote:
I agree with the idea, yes. Employees can't really expect to have their performance taken for granted.

Last job I worked, my secretary and I would lounge in my pool all day, and check forms there. Always funny when my employees would come in for meetings/reviews and such.
aren't you like 20?

Yes, I am.

I like pie.

2011-10-14 18:55:06

#21

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6933

TSI wrote:
KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
TSI wrote:
I agree with the idea, yes. Employees can't really expect to have their performance taken for granted.

Last job I worked, my secretary and I would lounge in my pool all day, and check forms there. Always funny when my employees would come in for meetings/reviews and such.
aren't you like 20?
Yes, I am.

Shiiiiiiiiiiiiet you already in management wtf.

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2011-10-14 19:18:48

#22

Pochsy: Artifice of Eternity; +702|5760|Toronto

TSI wrote:
KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
TSI wrote:
I agree with the idea, yes. Employees can't really expect to have their performance taken for granted.

Last job I worked, my secretary and I would lounge in my pool all day, and check forms there. Always funny when my employees would come in for meetings/reviews and such.
aren't you like 20?
Yes, I am.

I'm curious. Did you work for your father or something?

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2011-10-14 19:59:45

#23

KEN-JENNINGS: I am all that is MOD!; +2,978|6849|949

Pochsy wrote:
TSI wrote:
KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

aren't you like 20?
Yes, I am.
I'm curious. Did you work for your father or something?

its obvious from his posts he owns his own business - "my employees"

what do you do?

2011-10-14 20:13:52

#24

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5575|London, England

unnamednewbie13 wrote:
This is something we do at my business. The time clock is right next to the warehouse door, and the camera watches this door, the time clock and the office door. A couple of my buddies online, when told of it, have expressed reservations. One even thought it was a bit tyrannical, that it "keeps everyone but the boss honest." So I couldn't imagine union guys, if we had any, would much care for it.

If you don't review it regularly, all it is is mild deterrent. Hooked up to a DVR, it's evidence. We caught someone punching in for other people who hadn't shown up yet not because of the camera but through a surprise inspection of the time cards.

IMO, we pay fairly ($teens/hr based on ability and reliability) and cover the entire day from when they show up to work or the warehouse (whichever comes first) to when they leave the job or warehouse...including meal times but not personal errands.

Would make more sense to simply take a picture every time the punch clock is used rather than running video all day if your goal is simply to log that point in time. But, I have no problem with a camera there. Keeps people honest.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2011-10-14 22:32:07

#25

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,053|6989|PNW

The camera serves the dual purpose of monitoring the front door from the inside as well as watching the clock.

The nice thing about having video footage (other than that) is that we can see people as they linger around the thing. There's less chance of their features being obscured from video than there is from a snapshot. I was surprised when some of my buddies expressed reservations about the method, which is why I brought it up here.

Yes	93%	93% - 42
No	6%	6% - 3
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