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-]Eucalyptus[- wrote:

i like the idea of defending America but there is no way the MEC could possibly ever land its forces on the USA.


It is impossible. It is illogical. BUT, it is a game

The MEC does not have the amphibious capability to even consider doing so. Any defeats USA may suffer in forward deployment theaters does not mean the same will happen with America on the defense. America on the defense will ultimately defeat any force, provided air superiority is maintained (as it is and always will be) and the oceans that line both coasts are protecting America. The only realistic thing that is possible is the Alaskan landing of Chinese forces. The Chinese would probably have to walk all over the canadians to get to the USA (im sure the canadians would let them through) but they'd suffer numerous air attacks, all the while not having any air superority of their own (they have no carriers).

There's also the factor of the nuclear option. If mainland USA were to be invaded, and although the nuclear option would be the last measure, be assured that it WILL be used if the USA is close to defeat.

If America goes down, the world goes with it.


In that respect, you cannot defeat America and America is here to stay.


China would be better off defending it's sphere of influence (Asia) and dominating through economic influence.


The 21st Century is China's Century

Newb wrote:

um planes did u hear of 9/11 they started in iraq took a plane to usa and then waited then blew up new york

-]Eucalyptus[- wrote:

(BRU)Timothy wrote:

Nukes are the dumbest cop-out ever invented.. and it seems to be the only thing Americans fall back on.

We also fall back on the mightiest military ever known to man, in the history of empires.

Flecco wrote:

Just want to point out to Eucalyptus, this is the Chatter, start a thread in serious debate about nukes if you want to.

I know, I just wanted to make a comment on how unrealistic the AF booster pack is (yes i know bf2 overall is unrealistic, its a game, but the premise for the booster pack is just off in the way world.) You guys are at fault. You've opposed my opinion, forcing me to respond lmao

Skruples hits it on the spot. Your discussion on establishing a beachhead, supply lines and fighting on the defensive, on own turf, reminds me of a paper I've written on Operation Sealion, a proposed invasion plan of England by Germany during WWII. It is later known that they have encountered many problems in it and postponed it indefinitely due to the recurring problems of establishment of a beachhead, supply lines and fighting an enemy on it's own turf. And all this because of the ENGLISH CHANNEL.
WHAT ABOUT THE PACIFIC/ATLANTIC OCEANS?
lol...

-]Eucalyptus[- wrote:

i like the idea of defending America but there is no way the MEC could possibly ever land its forces on the USA.


It is impossible. It is illogical. BUT, it is a game

The MEC does not have the amphibious capability to even consider doing so. Any defeats USA may suffer in forward deployment theaters does not mean the same will happen with America on the defense. America on the defense will ultimately defeat any force, provided air superiority is maintained (as it is and always will be) and the oceans that line both coasts are protecting America. The only realistic thing that is possible is the Alaskan landing of Chinese forces. The Chinese would probably have to walk all over the canadians to get to the USA (im sure the canadians would let them through) but they'd suffer numerous air attacks, all the while not having any air superority of their own (they have no carriers).

There's also the factor of the nuclear option. If mainland USA were to be invaded, and although the nuclear option would be the last measure, be assured that it WILL be used if the USA is close to defeat.

If America goes down, the world goes with it.


In that respect, you cannot defeat America and America is here to stay.


China would be better off defending it's sphere of influence (Asia) and dominating through economic influence.


The 21st Century is China's Century

-]Eucalyptus[- wrote:

i like the idea of defending America but there is no way the MEC could possibly ever land its forces on the USA.


It is impossible. It is illogical. BUT, it is a game

The MEC does not have the amphibious capability to even consider doing so. Any defeats USA may suffer in forward deployment theaters does not mean the same will happen with America on the defense. America on the defense will ultimately defeat any force, provided air superiority is maintained (as it is and always will be) and the oceans that line both coasts are protecting America. The only realistic thing that is possible is the Alaskan landing of Chinese forces. The Chinese would probably have to walk all over the canadians to get to the USA (im sure the canadians would let them through) but they'd suffer numerous air attacks, all the while not having any air superority of their own (they have no carriers).

There's also the factor of the nuclear option. If mainland USA were to be invaded, and although the nuclear option would be the last measure, be assured that it WILL be used if the USA is close to defeat.

If America goes down, the world goes with it.


In that respect, you cannot defeat America and America is here to stay.


China would be better off defending it's sphere of influence (Asia) and dominating through economic influence.


The 21st Century is China's Century

R`-Nomad-DL wrote:

HisInfernalDeath wrote:

................................................................. Maybe i will get flamed on this matter, but dont get me all wrong, i'm on your side and i hate those fucked up islamic twats.. Maybe its time to draw a cartoon or something. Who knows.

peace !

you r pushing your luck a bit far, and not to mention being racist by generalizing all muslims with such shamefull groups. not all muslims are innocent killers exactly the same when you say that not all christians are like SS groups/skin heads/white anglo-saxon groups, etc..., same goes with germany and nazis! generalizing could be a deadly weapon you know! bin ladin and such groups are some fookers thinking themselves muslims, they barely represent 5% of muslims around the world such ingnorants.... every religion has their extremist! Islam strictly rejects killing....

Oh and please watch out for your immature and unresponsible hints about the cartoons..... respect the others to be respected. thank you.

Last edited by Major_Spittle (2006-03-06 11:56:33)

R`-Nomad-DL wrote:

Major_Spittle wrote:

R`-Nomad-DL wrote:

you r pushing your luck a bit far, and not to mention being racist by generalizing all muslims with such shamefull groups. not all muslims are innocent killers exactly the same when you say that not all christians are like SS groups/skin heads/white anglo-saxon groups, etc..., same goes with germany and nazis! generalizing could be a deadly weapon you know! bin ladin and such groups are some fookers thinking themselves muslims, they barely represent 5% of muslims around the world such ingnorants.... every religion has their extremist! Islam strictly rejects killing....

Oh and please watch out for your immature and unresponsible hints about the cartoons..... respect the others to be respected. thank you.

__________________________________________________________________________________________

Generalizing my butt, 5% my butt. 

#1 For one thing Nazis & Skin Heads have nothing to do with Christianity.  Trust me that I doubt they care if you don't believe in Christ when you join.... but hmmm, seems to me that all these Muslim nuts do everything while quoting the koran.
#2 Christian Churches and leader everywhere denounce these groups, and help the victims of hate crimes by these groups.... no matter what religion they are.  Besides, wasn't it mostly Christians that defeated the Nazis and helped the Jews, don't Skin Heads typically attack Blacks no matter what religion they are.
#3 Muslims can't even get along with each other, Sunni's, Shiites, elc.  All the Muslim countries end up warring with their neighbor no matter whether it is a Muslim country or not. Name one Muslim country with an actual free government where other religions have the same rights in that country. hmmmm.  Yep, islam is quite the great religion.
#4 Even you the great "moderate muslim" is threatening people in the name of your religion you Muslim Supremacist POS. Over a Cartoon, how arrogant you human waste.
#5 Muslim countries don't even provide any significant (if any) foriegn aide to other Muslim countries in need due to disasters or otherwise. Yeh, Islam is such a compasionate giving religion compared to all the others.
#6 Mohamad was a murderous thug who would kill off an entire villige if they would not convert to his religion, make a cartoon about that you retard..... don't remember Christ cutting off peoples heads that refused to convert. Hell, Mohamads followers are still cutting off peoples heads in his name, and Muslim governments all seem to with-hold rights to non Muslims due to the teachings of Mohamad the wonder murderer. Infidels are inhuman.....yeah islam.

Your just a turd, aren't you late for blowing yourself up in front of a rival Mosque or something?

i have been extremly offended by your vulgur way of talking.... and now i wonder how u consider yourself a christian (or this is what i suppose u r) while u r lacking the principles of ethics... as for Islam we beleive in christianity and you know it.... the religions of the book are based on manners and ethics. so please if u r thinking of talking to me further more , reconsider it... and again respect people to be respected.
thank you....
Now back to your points ignoring the wonderful style u were using in expressing your baseless information.
ok... Now to start i would like to let you know that NONE of the governements of islamic countries are by any means applying the rules of islam! and yes this is true! coz i live there and i know what i am telling u about.... another thing is.... Our governements are nothing but some useless money collectors while of course leaning their heads to mother america... So now any muslim country acts on governal bases are basicly hoax and irresponsible. And hence there isnt democracy applied in our countries then we are not able to get rid of such tyrents controlling us.... And to let you know, almost none of the people are happy with current situations, and if u try to do smth u r nomore! And this is smth i feel ashamed of, but nothing to do, or at least for now...

oh yes, what you have said about our prophet (SAWS), is extremly unacceptable of you, anyway it was in matter reflecting how ignorant you are in history.... coz the most thing i hate is the people talking about things they never heard or read about.... u r just reflecting some other's points of view which with all my respect may be built on hate and ingorance and sometimes spite. you need to read more about him and then judge yourself and not just go on with the wave, repeating words like a parrot
anyway i advice u to read this article about the prophet before u think of replying, coz i think that would be a wise step from you or anyone intending to reply, so that we dont waste time in hasstles and so on:
http://www.islamway.com/mohammad/

Another point about our prophet.... There exists a cultural vagueness in the West.  This vagueness results from the presence of two different concepts.  The first is a great Western concept that we respect, appraise, and need.  That concept is freedom of speech.  This is a great humane and civilized concept.  On the other hand, there is the great Islamic concept of dignifying Allah’s Messenger (SAWS).  The problem arises due to the lack of understanding of the Islamic Civilization and the Western Civilization regarding these two concepts.  The non-Muslims cannot value the rank of dignifying the Prophet (SAWS).  On the other hand, due to the below-average quality of practical application of freedom of speech, Muslims have a vague understanding of the concept of respecting freedom of speech. 
Accordingly, what is required now?  We do not want to refuse the concept of freedom of speech, absolutely not.  However, the West should alter the freedom of speech so that it does not collide with the very important Islamic value of dignifying the Prophet (SAWS).  Here lies the vagueness and ambiguity.  The West understands very well the freedom of speech (which we appreciate) but it does not understand Islamic values, such as dignifying the Prophet (SAWS) and other Islamic sanctities.  This is where the Western cultural vagueness lies.
I clearly say to the West, you have a problem. You cannot comprehend how much the Muslims love Prophet Muhammad (SAWS).  You are still unable to understand this point.  If you had really encompassed its significance, you would never have accepted what happened.  The West, in general, governments and people, does not apprehend that Allah’s Messenger (SAWS) is dearer to us than our parents, dearer to me than my father and dearer than my mother.  I am sure that any Muslim woman listening to me now, be her religious or not, will swear on that fact.  Just ask, what does Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) mean to you?  It is not even necessary to do that because it is so evident, but you may conduct surveys for yourselves, and you will realize how true what I am saying is.  Ask any youth, be he heedless or pious; ask any Muslim anywhere, in Bangladesh, Pakistan, Yemen or in Egypt.  Ask any Muslim in any village regardless of how religious he is, be he an obedient Muslim or not, a drug user or not, successful in his life or a failure, old or young, ask them, what does Allah’s Messenger (SAWS) mean to you?
I know that the West resists racism as they realize very well what it means.  I also know that they stand up against any anti-Semitic assaults as they recognize the serious consequences of such acts.  Yet, true contradiction lies in respecting Semitism and resisting racialism on the one hand, while humiliating the most valued figure for Muslims, the Prophet (SAWS), on the other. 

anyway i did my best to ignore all your claims, now please all i ask of you is reading that link above then feel free to reply back, oh yeah and we dont need to screw this thread which wasnt meant to be about what we r talking about anyway, so if u feel like talking we may do it in the "serious talk" section, and sorry for any inconvinience i may have caused wether by getting out of subject or even with my moderate english.
thank you
Nomad

jord wrote:

R`-Nomad-DL wrote:

Major_Spittle wrote:

__________________________________________________________________________________________

Generalizing my butt, 5% my butt. 

#1 For one thing Nazis & Skin Heads have nothing to do with Christianity.  Trust me that I doubt they care if you don't believe in Christ when you join.... but hmmm, seems to me that all these Muslim nuts do everything while quoting the koran.
#2 Christian Churches and leader everywhere denounce these groups, and help the victims of hate crimes by these groups.... no matter what religion they are.  Besides, wasn't it mostly Christians that defeated the Nazis and helped the Jews, don't Skin Heads typically attack Blacks no matter what religion they are.
#3 Muslims can't even get along with each other, Sunni's, Shiites, elc.  All the Muslim countries end up warring with their neighbor no matter whether it is a Muslim country or not. Name one Muslim country with an actual free government where other religions have the same rights in that country. hmmmm.  Yep, islam is quite the great religion.
#4 Even you the great "moderate muslim" is threatening people in the name of your religion you Muslim Supremacist POS. Over a Cartoon, how arrogant you human waste.
#5 Muslim countries don't even provide any significant (if any) foriegn aide to other Muslim countries in need due to disasters or otherwise. Yeh, Islam is such a compasionate giving religion compared to all the others.
#6 Mohamad was a murderous thug who would kill off an entire villige if they would not convert to his religion, make a cartoon about that you retard..... don't remember Christ cutting off peoples heads that refused to convert. Hell, Mohamads followers are still cutting off peoples heads in his name, and Muslim governments all seem to with-hold rights to non Muslims due to the teachings of Mohamad the wonder murderer. Infidels are inhuman.....yeah islam.

Your just a turd, aren't you late for blowing yourself up in front of a rival Mosque or something?

i have been extremly offended by your vulgur way of talking.... and now i wonder how u consider yourself a christian (or this is what i suppose u r) while u r lacking the principles of ethics... as for Islam we beleive in christianity and you know it.... the religions of the book are based on manners and ethics. so please if u r thinking of talking to me further more , reconsider it... and again respect people to be respected.
thank you....
Now back to your points ignoring the wonderful style u were using in expressing your baseless information.
ok... Now to start i would like to let you know that NONE of the governements of islamic countries are by any means applying the rules of islam! and yes this is true! coz i live there and i know what i am telling u about.... another thing is.... Our governements are nothing but some useless money collectors while of course leaning their heads to mother america... So now any muslim country acts on governal bases are basicly hoax and irresponsible. And hence there isnt democracy applied in our countries then we are not able to get rid of such tyrents controlling us.... And to let you know, almost none of the people are happy with current situations, and if u try to do smth u r nomore! And this is smth i feel ashamed of, but nothing to do, or at least for now...

oh yes, what you have said about our prophet (SAWS), is extremly unacceptable of you, anyway it was in matter reflecting how ignorant you are in history.... coz the most thing i hate is the people talking about things they never heard or read about.... u r just reflecting some other's points of view which with all my respect may be built on hate and ingorance and sometimes spite. you need to read more about him and then judge yourself and not just go on with the wave, repeating words like a parrot
anyway i advice u to read this article about the prophet before u think of replying, coz i think that would be a wise step from you or anyone intending to reply, so that we dont waste time in hasstles and so on:
http://www.islamway.com/mohammad/

Another point about our prophet.... There exists a cultural vagueness in the West.  This vagueness results from the presence of two different concepts.  The first is a great Western concept that we respect, appraise, and need.  That concept is freedom of speech.  This is a great humane and civilized concept.  On the other hand, there is the great Islamic concept of dignifying Allah’s Messenger (SAWS).  The problem arises due to the lack of understanding of the Islamic Civilization and the Western Civilization regarding these two concepts.  The non-Muslims cannot value the rank of dignifying the Prophet (SAWS).  On the other hand, due to the below-average quality of practical application of freedom of speech, Muslims have a vague understanding of the concept of respecting freedom of speech. 
Accordingly, what is required now?  We do not want to refuse the concept of freedom of speech, absolutely not.  However, the West should alter the freedom of speech so that it does not collide with the very important Islamic value of dignifying the Prophet (SAWS).  Here lies the vagueness and ambiguity.  The West understands very well the freedom of speech (which we appreciate) but it does not understand Islamic values, such as dignifying the Prophet (SAWS) and other Islamic sanctities.  This is where the Western cultural vagueness lies.
I clearly say to the West, you have a problem. You cannot comprehend how much the Muslims love Prophet Muhammad (SAWS).  You are still unable to understand this point.  If you had really encompassed its significance, you would never have accepted what happened.  The West, in general, governments and people, does not apprehend that Allah’s Messenger (SAWS) is dearer to us than our parents, dearer to me than my father and dearer than my mother.  I am sure that any Muslim woman listening to me now, be her religious or not, will swear on that fact.  Just ask, what does Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) mean to you?  It is not even necessary to do that because it is so evident, but you may conduct surveys for yourselves, and you will realize how true what I am saying is.  Ask any youth, be he heedless or pious; ask any Muslim anywhere, in Bangladesh, Pakistan, Yemen or in Egypt.  Ask any Muslim in any village regardless of how religious he is, be he an obedient Muslim or not, a drug user or not, successful in his life or a failure, old or young, ask them, what does Allah’s Messenger (SAWS) mean to you?
I know that the West resists racism as they realize very well what it means.  I also know that they stand up against any anti-Semitic assaults as they recognize the serious consequences of such acts.  Yet, true contradiction lies in respecting Semitism and resisting racialism on the one hand, while humiliating the most valued figure for Muslims, the Prophet (SAWS), on the other. 

anyway i did my best to ignore all your claims, now please all i ask of you is reading that link above then feel free to reply back, oh yeah and we dont need to screw this thread which wasnt meant to be about what we r talking about anyway, so if u feel like talking we may do it in the "serious talk" section, and sorry for any inconvinience i may have caused wether by getting out of subject or even with my moderate english.
thank you
Nomad

You have way to much time on your hands im thinking you just copied and paste from another forum.

R`-Nomad-DL wrote:

HisInfernalDeath wrote:

................................................................. Maybe i will get flamed on this matter, but dont get me all wrong, i'm on your side and i hate those fucked up islamic twats.. Maybe its time to draw a cartoon or something. Who knows.

peace !

you r pushing your luck a bit far, and not to mention being racist by generalizing all muslims with such shamefull groups. not all muslims are innocent killers exactly the same when you say that not all christians are like SS groups/skin heads/white anglo-saxon groups, etc..., same goes with germany and nazis! generalizing could be a deadly weapon you know! bin ladin and such groups are some fookers thinking themselves muslims, they barely represent 5% of muslims around the world such ingnorants.... every religion has their extremist! Islam strictly rejects killing....

Oh and please watch out for your immature and unresponsible hints about the cartoons..... respect the others to be respected. thank you.