fuck's sake you really have utter contempt for history don't youlowing wrote:
In other words, when it suits you? Add it to your list of inconsistenciesSpark wrote:
in this context
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what point are you making? The idea that there could be more attacks 'because of' Obama? It's so insane it's a worthless idea.Harmor wrote:
Please correct me where I'm wrong, but under the 7 years after 9/11 vs. the 1.2 years under Obama it seems like we're getting more domestic attacks.
What "million and one overlapping agencies" do we have?cpt.fass1 wrote:
But maybe our economy wouldn't be in such shambles if we didn't have to pay for a million and one overlapping agencies.
I think it would be best plotted on a time-line. IMO any president has very little to do with these occurrences.Harmor wrote:
Major events after the September 11, 2001 Attacks under Bush include:vs. these under Obama so far:
- [EDIT: Shoe bomber Richard Reid tried to bring down a trans-Atlantic flight from Paris to Miami in December 2001]
- Moscow Theatre Siege (Russia)
- 2003 Istanbul bombings (Turkey)
- Madrid train bombings (Spain)
- Beslan school hostage crisis (Russia)
- 2005 London bombings (England)
- New Delhi bombings (India)
- Mumbai Hotel Siege (India)
- June 1, 2009 - Little Rock, Arkansas - . Private William Long was killed and Private Quinton Ezeagwula was wounded.
- Nov 5th, 2009 - Muslim terrorist Nidal Malik Hasan - Fort Hood, Texas - killed 13 people and wounded 30 others.
- Dec 25th, 2009 - Muslim terrorist Nigerian Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab attempts to detonate an explosive on an aircraft enroute from Amsterdam to Detroit. During the incident, the suspect ignites himself on fire until he is extinguished and overpowered by two passengers.
- May 1st, 2010 - New York City, New York, United States New York's Times Square was evacuated after the discovery of a car bomb. Suspect Shahzad Faisal is in custody.
Please correct me where I'm wrong, but under the 7 years after 9/11 vs. the 1.2 years under Obama it seems like we're getting more domestic attacks.
Granted 3000+ people died in 9/11 vs. 14 people so far under Obama, but just making the point.
EDIT: Forgot the `Shoe Bomber` under Bush.
i like how your criteria for inclusion suddenly change as soon as Obama becomes president.Harmor wrote:
Major events after the September 11, 2001 Attacks under Bush include:vs. these under Obama so far:
- [EDIT: Shoe bomber Richard Reid tried to bring down a trans-Atlantic flight from Paris to Miami in December 2001]
- Moscow Theatre Siege (Russia)
- 2003 Istanbul bombings (Turkey)
- Madrid train bombings (Spain)
- Beslan school hostage crisis (Russia)
- 2005 London bombings (England)
- New Delhi bombings (India)
- Mumbai Hotel Siege (India)
- June 1, 2009 - Little Rock, Arkansas - . Private William Long was killed and Private Quinton Ezeagwula was wounded.
- Nov 5th, 2009 - Muslim terrorist Nidal Malik Hasan - Fort Hood, Texas - killed 13 people and wounded 30 others.
- Dec 25th, 2009 - Muslim terrorist Nigerian Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab attempts to detonate an explosive on an aircraft enroute from Amsterdam to Detroit. During the incident, the suspect ignites himself on fire until he is extinguished and overpowered by two passengers.
- May 1st, 2010 - New York City, New York, United States New York's Times Square was evacuated after the discovery of a car bomb. Suspect Shahzad Faisal is in custody.
Please correct me where I'm wrong, but under the 7 years after 9/11 vs. the 1.2 years under Obama it seems like we're getting more domestic attacks.
Granted 3000+ people died in 9/11 vs. 14 people so far under Obama, but just making the point.
EDIT: Forgot the `Shoe Bomber` under Bush.
Do they?FEOS wrote:
Do you know the roles and responsibilities of those agencies?
does anyone else find this... weird?Shahzad has waived his right to remain silent and his right to an attorney, and is cooperating in the investigation, a source familiar with the probe said.
Yes and they overlap.. Remember when 9/11 Did happen, they had information that if shared could have actually stoped an attack..FEOS wrote:
What "million and one overlapping agencies" do we have?cpt.fass1 wrote:
But maybe our economy wouldn't be in such shambles if we didn't have to pay for a million and one overlapping agencies.
Do you know the roles and responsibilities of those agencies? Do you know the statutory limitations on what they can and can't do? The overlap is actually quite small, and it's far better to have overlap than gaps, don't you think?
You're forgetting that the overlapping agencies you're complaining about didn't exist prior to 9/11 (DHS, DNI, etc). They were formed out of recommendations from the investigation into 9/11, IIRC. The point being that overlap isn't always bad, but gaps are. Gaps are what caused the lack of information sharing. Gaps in policy, gaps in organization that prevented communication. That's what DHS and DNI were supposed to mitigate.cpt.fass1 wrote:
Yes and they overlap.. Remember when 9/11 Did happen, they had information that if shared could have actually stoped an attack..FEOS wrote:
What "million and one overlapping agencies" do we have?cpt.fass1 wrote:
But maybe our economy wouldn't be in such shambles if we didn't have to pay for a million and one overlapping agencies.
Do you know the roles and responsibilities of those agencies? Do you know the statutory limitations on what they can and can't do? The overlap is actually quite small, and it's far better to have overlap than gaps, don't you think?
You can defend your big government all you want, even when they don't provide. It's still a ghost trap(ghost trap is something I saw in the weekly world news where you put a candle and a tootsee roll, cause ghost "love Tootsee rolls", if smoke arises in the cover you have caught a ghost, if it doesn't, it's doing it's job.
Where does the DC Sniper fall into that list of attacks?
wat lolJay wrote:
I think we're overdue for a holy war. This shit can't keep up.
Almost admirable. Most of the other terrorist we capture hide behind technicalities in our legal system.Umar Farouk AbdulMutallab, the Nigerian man accused of trying to detonate an explosive device in his underwear aboard a flight to Detroit, surprised courtroom officials and spectators on the second day of his trial Wednesday by pleading guilty to all the counts against him.
He previously had pleaded not guilty to the charges, which included attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction, conspiracy to commit an act of terrorism, and possession of a firearm or destructive device in furtherance of an act of violence.
AbdulMutallab acknowledged in a courtroom statement Wednedsay that he had previously traveled to Yemen and was "greatly inspired" to participate in such a plot by U.S.-born militant cleric Anwar al-Awlaki, who was killed by a U.S. drone strike in Yemen September 30. U.S. officials say the terror group al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula helped foment the bombing attempt.
"I carried with me an explosive device to avenge the killing of innocent Muslims," AbdulMutallab said, adding that the failed plot was in retaliation for "U.S. tyranny and oppression of Muslims."
"I am guilty of this by U.S. law, but not the Koran," he added.
yeah that happens after you've been around this place a while. always fun reading your old posts... and mildly embarrassing.Jay wrote:
I don't even remember this thread. I also don't agree with myself in regards to anything on the first page. Interesting.
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lolJay Beck wrote:
I think we're overdue for a holy war. This shit can't keep up.
Okay, cool. You seem to have a good plan to fighting ISIS. How long do we blockade all the Muslims?Jay wrote:
Containment. Cut them off from contact with the rest of the world. No flights in or out, no road access, nothing. I'm not suggesting genocide, I'm suggesting a Cuba style blockade on the entire Muslim world by the West (and the East as well).Superior Mind wrote:
What are people supposed to do when on board? Military action? Concentration camps? Hold on Muslim traveling? I don't get it.JohnG@lt wrote:
No, I mean the rest of the world getting on board. They will just keep doing this shit indefinitely until they are bitchslapped down.
