vjs
Member
+19|6992
I was just wondering what you guys thought about the 850pro.

Is it a decent upgrade from a 9800pro 128Mb card...

What settings are you running and what's your frame rate...

Would you spend the same mmoney on a different card. I know people like the geforce but the 6800 just seems a little too pricey.

By the time sm3 is required I'll probably get a different card.
jord
Member
+2,382|6899|The North, beyond the wall.
gandhi!
jord
Member
+2,382|6899|The North, beyond the wall.
i would get the 9800 pro as its a bigger number.
oakley_addic
Member
+2|6873

vjs wrote:

I was just wondering what you guys thought about the 850pro.

Is it a decent upgrade from a 9800pro 128Mb card...

What settings are you running and what's your frame rate...

Would you spend the same mmoney on a different card. I know people like the geforce but the 6800 just seems a little too pricey.

By the time sm3 is required I'll probably get a different card.
--------at one time i had the 850pro and it does perform really good, so yes it is definately a worthy upgrade, but have to tell you, right now i'm running 6800 GT and the image quality is better without the sucrifice of the performance, especially shadows thanks to the availability of the shader 3.0 on 6800
reddersaj
Member
+0|7068|e.anglia, u.k
uh....i thought the 850 woz the mutz nutz, way better than 9800
TechGuy
Grammar Nazi
+62|6894
The ATI Radeon X850 Pro is about the equivelent to the GeForce 6800 Ultra in most respects. It's way better than the 9800 Pro. You could run at max settings with it, as long as you had 2GB memory to help with texturing.

Last edited by TechGuy (2006-02-09 13:29:47)

BlokieBF2
Member
+11|6873
I have an X850XT which is one level above the pro
I run at full max video settings and have no problems
You should be able to run at max with an 850 pro
razz
Member
+7|6903|Australia

BlokieBF2 wrote:

I have an X850XT which is one level above the pro
I run at full max video settings and have no problems
You should be able to run at max with an 850 pro
What this guy said. Is your system AGP or PCI-E?
Maj.Do
Member
+85|6973|good old CA
same question AGP or PCIE?  I have a x800 Pro unlocked 16 pipes (HARD FOR ME) and i can run everything high(also on stock settings).  i also have a x850 and 6800, never benched them(SOLD) .  Waiting for that x1900 : )
kR4MR
3 Tours Of 'Nam And All I Got Was This Lousy Forum
+3|6958|Aus
ATI sux

Last edited by kR4MR (2006-02-09 20:54:10)

Rofl_My_Waffle
Member
+11|6912

kR4MR wrote:

ATI sux
some of us dont appreciate your attitude towards ati nvidia boy, what do you know about gfx cards.
soldevilla13
SuperFly
+21|6943|oregon
all I know, is that i have an X700 pro, i run vid settings high, anti-aliasing at 6x, and have no lag what so ever
kR4MR
3 Tours Of 'Nam And All I Got Was This Lousy Forum
+3|6958|Aus
Enough, and I even know how to interpret your stupidity, translating this:  .
                                                                                            into this:   ?
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|6937

kR4MR wrote:

Enough, and I even know how to interpret your stupidity, translating this:  .
                                                                                            into this:   ?
ur an idiot. stop being an asshole fanboy and give us facts why ati sux.

btw, x1900 is released in taiwan already, and its better than nvidia 7800gtx 512mb in every aspect, games, encoding etc...
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sixshot
Decepticon Geek
+50|6896|Planet Seibertron ;)
If you'll forgive me for hijacking this for a bit... I'd like to chime in this one.  Yeah, I know... it's not worth it.  But I got brain cells to burn so I'll give it a whirl.  Besides, not having an "Explosive" burden can definitely make a difference in the state of mind.

What kR4MR has demonstrated for us is an equivalent to not only trolling but also redefining stupidity as a whole.  Webster's dictionary would have to be rewritten to compensate for this new level and definition.  As many have said time and time again from forums across the 'net, don't feed the troll.  They require attention and that's all they seek.  Their greatest pleasure is viewing our angered response.  Their greatest weakness is intelligence and patience.  Use them as your weapon, and they will fall.  Prove them wrong, and you are victorious.  Force them into namecalling, and they forfeit the match.  It's a battle of wits, for which the winner is determine by the capacity of either side.

The battle here is obvious.  kR4MR denounces all ATi products.  So the natural response and replies are from those who currently or previously owned such products, myself included.  How long did the battle lasted?  Very short.  In fact, it probably never started in the first place.  My first exposure which somewhat instigated the battle challenge came from his denouncing of ATi products.  But the battle never got underway as he immediately forfeited by calling ATi users/owners "tards."

For a long time, ATi has tried to enter the 3D market to compete with the likes of 3dfx and nVIDIA.  Various attempts in producing a competing 3D product did not fare well due to the capabilities of the two leading companies' products.  And in 2000, ATi finally has something substantial to show, a new product that they called the RADEON.  The RADEON series progressed and matured, like any products do, in order to improve both in features and in performance.  And then something happened, which nobody thought would ever have happened.  Yet this kind of event happens with all kinds of leading companies -- Squaresoft/Enix and Microsoft to name a couple.  What happened?  nVIDIA slipped.

In 2002, nVIDIA brought forth the GeForceFX series, introducing full 32-bit floating-point processing crucial to complex shader calculations and computations.  The problem, however, stem from its real world performance by which ATi's ground-breaking Radeon 9700 product performed significantly better overall in shader performance despite the GeForceFX capable of 32bit floating point operations.  The update follow-up did not help nVIDIA either, as the hardware was still based on the design from the NV30.  Yet perhaps one of the better known mishap from nVIDIA was the fact that the card required such heavy duty cooling it spawned a series of internet jokes and clips poking fun at the noise it generated.

Due to this, ATi gained confidence and focused more on their 3D research in order to keep the lead they have and to improve their products so that their next series of products may compete well with nVIDIA.

Today we are seeing ATi doing more to compete well with nVIDIA's line of products that not only spans graphics but also logic chips as well.  A competitor to SLI is available and ATi also produces chipsets for both Intel and AMD products.  The market is healthy and competition is keeping both ATi and nVIDIA on their toes to win customers over.  But when introducing anything new, things do not always go perfect the first time, such as nVIDIA's original GeForce 256.

As many people will tell you, there are ATi products out there that're well capable of running the games and applications they have.  If they did not performed as they had hoped, ATi would have left the 3D arena already.  But they are still here and they are still wishing to capitalize on the 3D market.  And with Windows Vista coming soon, it's a greater reason to continue trying to capitalize on it.  Yet one has to wonder, though, that if we were to put you in front of a computer where you cannot peer, look, or investigate in any way what hardware is inside, would you tell the difference between a system running nVIDIA hardware and ATi hardware just by playing games on it?  I can assure you that BF2, FEAR, Far Cry, Quake3, Doom3, Half-Life 2, UT200x, and a lot of other titles will run at your common 1024x768 resolution on a typical 19" CRT monitor.  Want Anti-Aliasing?  Surprise, surprise, ATi is known for better AA image quality than nVIDIA's, even during the dark days of nVIDIA's GeForceFX series.

No matter how one looks at it, both nVIDIA and ATi have their strengths as well as their weaknesses.  My ATi TV Wonder PCI card has been with me for many years.  And if I recall correctly, it lasted longer inside of my computer than the Radeon 9800 Pro I have, the very ATi product that I have used for a long time.  It goes to show that ATi can make products that work to your needs and all of them have something that suits a consumer's requirement.

It's a known fact that ATi makes competitive products that rivals that of nVIDIA's own.  A person will decide which is a better buy based on what information that person has gathered.  It's not misguided nor is it scamming.  It's how things are.  You cannot force people to purchase a certain product.  That's not how anyone wants to do business.  Let the consumers make that choice, even if it's going with neither company.  Even if a product is deemed inferior by a small number of people, they are vastly outnumbered by those who look at hardwares on both sides and are willing to determine which product is generally the best to go with for a certain price point or for a certain requirement.  There's no shame nor is there any crime in suggesting another to go with a non-nVIDIA product.  To proclaim a competing product or technology as inferior... is like saying the Apple computer is inferior to our PCs.  It's not a wise thing to think of and shows only ignorance.

Anyway, I'll end this by saying that ATi will continue on like any other company.  ATi cannot simply leave nVIDIA alone for the 3D market.  Not only do they give the marketshare to nVIDIA but it gives nVIDIA a complete monopoly over it.  And that's not a good thing.  Amusingly enough, we should be thanking ATi for getting this far, for not only have their products improved over the years but they are also doing us a favor: keeping nVIDIA in check.
-=|BW|=-Hollow_Moon
Member
+5|6976
For Hardware in terms of raw power ATI is easily a step ahead on Nvidia but the dirvers for Nvidia arent anywhere near as good as Nvidia ones. Why I tend to stay away from ATI cards. But they are certainly good cards, the X1900 is very smooth graphically. But just remember the 7900GT & GTX come out in March & the GTX features a massive 32 pipelines of graphical bliss The 1900 does still have loads of nice shader units though

But tis true that the Rivalry between Nvidia & ATI is a good thing because it means the technology is always improving & prices grow better for the consumer because of competition. So we win in the end, because we can buy a card that fits our requirements & needs.

Last edited by -=|BW|=-Hollow_Moon (2006-02-11 16:40:46)

uk.solidsnake
Member
+3|6929|England, UK
Stay away from the X850 Pro, it only has twelve pipes for some weird ass reason. The X800 XL/XT or X850XT are significantly better and are similarly priced.

As for my input on the ATi vs nVidia topic at hand, I feel it's all down to whatever floats your boat. Some people like Coke, some people like Pepsi. nVidia provide much better performance in OpenGL and are also generally faster without AA/AF. ATi on the other hand provide significantly better performance when running with AA and AF at high resolutions, and from experience, ATi cards do render games infinitely better than nVidia when it comes to image quality. I prefer smoother, sharper textures and smooth AA/AF over a few extra frames.

There is also SLI, but ATi has CrossFire. I'd say SLI at the moment is much better than CrossFire. There is more support, motherboards are cheaper and more plentiful. The benefits of CrossFire is that it is the better out of the two technology wise, but good luck finding a CrossFire master card as easy as it is to find SLI capable cards.

All in all, I like boobies.
Sigarms357
Say Hello to My 11-87
+6|6960

vjs wrote:

I was just wondering what you guys thought about the 850pro.

Is it a decent upgrade from a 9800pro 128Mb card...

What settings are you running and what's your frame rate...

Would you spend the same mmoney on a different card. I know people like the geforce but the 6800 just seems a little too pricey.

By the time sm3 is required I'll probably get a different card.
I love my x800 pro, and the x800 pro out benchtested the 9800 by 2x.  Do the math from there
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|6937
conclusion: get teh x800
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Maj.Do
Member
+85|6973|good old CA
the pro version is good^
-=1stInF.|Slappey
Member
+3|6975

uk.solidsnake wrote:

All in all, I like boobies.
God bless people like you. it's what makes the world a safe place.
Adonlude
Member
+2|7000
I upgraded from 9800Pro to X850XT PE (AGP) and was dissapointed with the improvement. I can now play up to 1280x1024 and 2xAA and medium AF, medium dynamic shadows and lighting, rest on high. Still get 25-35 FPS in the action. Got a 3Ghz P4 and 2Gigs of HyperX ram, all the latest drivers, reinstalled BF2, wiped and reinstalled drivers several times, OC'd card and CPU, tried it on a second system and it is never any better. my 3DMark05 score almost trippled with this card. 2000ish with 9800pro and 6100ish with X850XT PE. But BF2 performance didn't tripple though.

Last edited by Adonlude (2006-02-13 11:24:45)

sixshot
Decepticon Geek
+50|6896|Planet Seibertron ;)

Adonlude wrote:

I upgraded from 9800Pro to X850XT PE (AGP) and was dissapointed with the improvement. I can now play up to 1280x1024 and 2xAA and medium AF, medium dynamic shadows and lighting, rest on high. Still get 25-35 FPS in the action. Got a 3Ghz P4 and 2Gigs of HyperX ram, all the latest drivers, reinstalled BF2, wiped and reinstalled drivers several times, OC'd card and CPU, tried it on a second system and it is never any better. my 3DMark05 score almost trippled with this card. 2000ish with 9800pro and 6100ish with X850XT PE. But BF2 performance didn't tripple though.
If you cranked up your resolution and details, then those are your likely reason that it runs that way now.  Given that you're running at that resolution with a minimum of 30fps, then I say you've found the upper limit of the card's ability.  The CPU can also be a limiting factor but I think at this point the card is at the limit for handling the quality and resolution the game has.  I've no concrete evidence that this is absolutely true, as this is all speculations.  But my R9800Pro has ran 1024x768 from the Medium quality preset without seeing any degradation in framerate.  Just because the scores in 3Dmarks went up significantly higher does not equate to the game's performance doing the same.  Both are completely different applications with differing methods of handling 3D.

I suggest tinkering around some more with the settings to get a better feel whether you've hit the wall or not.  The one thing you have to realize that ATi's cards has always been a good performer when using anti-aliasing.  So despite being able to use 2xAA, you might be able to run with the same framerate or without any loss of performance using 4xAA.  Try any combination you can, and find the best balance.  The card will handle what you throw at it.  But it is by no means a card that disappoint.  It's definitely more powerful than the R9800Pro we have and now is your chance to exploit every bit of processing power it is capable of (I've yet to find my limit on my GeForce 7800GT).
vjs
Member
+19|6992
Thanks for all of the comments... reason for posting on the x850 Pro.

The x850 pro seems to be priced very similar to the x800 xt and it's int the 250-300 range at the stores. So the question becomes which is the better buy.

x800 with the 16 pipes and slower clock or the faster clocked x850 with 12 pipelines... Overclocking either will get you a little more, get a little more out of the x800 GPU and memory if you choose the correct memory of course. Or potentially unlock the other 4 pipelines in the x850 pro (unlikely but possible) but forget about the core and memory without cooling...

My thoughts were with the x850 pro ( I'm a gambler), but now it appears that the 7800 for AGP has come down to a reasonable level 300-dollar mark "In-stores". Guess nvidia can't screw the AGP consumer anymore we are speaking with our dollars (piff 400 bucks for the agp 7800, yeah right!!!).

7800 also has SM3 which is looking more attractive considering ATI isn't releasing the x1800 for AGP.

Thanks for all the comments, but I think ATI is asking too much for these cards and the used market is crazy.

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