So instead of just sacking him they reorganise the whole department to hide the fact he's demoted?
Morons.
Morons.
Fuck Israel
do you realise how politically horrid it would look if garrett was sacked full stopDilbert_X wrote:
So instead of just sacking him they reorganise the whole department to hide the fact he's demoted?
Morons.
(shame about it too - i've always thought he was a dud since he was comprehensively outwitted by his opposite number during the 07 campaign when he was the shadow env/water/cc minister)
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The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
It looks politically bad however its done, but this way it looks as if Rudd thinks the electorate are stupid.
Fuck Israel
The whole insulation bungle thing is just a beat up by the Liberals and "The Australian" the latter being the Liberals media division.
The PM is protecting him because he doesnt deserve to go, and also because it would look bad.
Before you crucify the man based on what was said in main stream media have a look at this
Of course the damage is done now, Abbott played politics and won. Garrett only fails because he isnt much of a politician and cant bullshit with the best of them.
Heres the link to the site that says standards were actually improved.
The PM is protecting him because he doesnt deserve to go, and also because it would look bad.
Before you crucify the man based on what was said in main stream media have a look at this
If you really want a laugh , read the post where it shows that Garretts insulation scheme actually improved standards in that industry.Crikey on the Minter Ellison report wrote:
Every other area, including installation quality and compliance, fraud, legal, regulation, industry capacity, outcomes (actual), delivery, take-up, training mechanisms and product quality were all given a tolerable risk rating by Minter Ellison.
They were all given a risk approval by Minter Ellison.
Let me say that again, every one of those areas just mentioned were all given a risk tick.
What you have been reading from the press is ill-informed, pig-ignorant bullshit. Let’s go to a few examples.
Dennis Shanahan
Garrett led a department charged by cabinet with implementing a scheme for which it was not equipped, and which was warned there would be fraud, fires, waste and accidents if it did not delay the start of the scheme by at least three months.
.No – that is a totally and utterly incorrect. Minter Ellison did not say that fraud, fire and waste would occur if the program was not delayed, they stated clearly (although obviously not clear enough for some!) that delaying the program was an option to guarantee procurement/licensing issues were fully developed and for internal administration to be effectively put in place. However, those issues were fully developed between April and July, such that we saw the program rollout on time.
Minter Ellison said the risk of fraud, fire and waste was acceptable, and didn’t mention “accidents” in the risk register at all! 5 arse-hats, go stand in the corner Dennis .
Courier Mail Editorial
This document, which is more than 10 months old, was drawn up by a major Australian law firm, Minter Ellison, and was comprehensive enough to foretell just about every disaster that has befallen Mr Garrett’s housing insulation program
.That was its job – to predict every foreseeable risk. It also stated the risks were acceptable in 16 of 19 areas, and in those 3 that were not acceptable at the time, the department successfully met its deadline for rollout, demonstrating that the risk was mitigated.
Andrew Bolt
Garrett’s own department commissioned a report from Minter Ellison Consulting last year on whether its free-insulation scheme would work, and in April last year the report was sent to both Garrett and Rudd’s office, warning the scheme was in fact dangerous and could waste hundreds of millions of dollars.
.Minter Ellison never anywhere in the report stated that the scheme was dangerous. We’d get you to wear the dunce cap but there’s only so many a single person can have on their head at a given time.
ABC Online:
Mr Garrett is under pressure to reveal when he was first briefed about the Minter Ellison safety risk assessment, which warned of shonky installation and house fires
.The report did not warn of shonky installation and house fires, both of those areas got the risk assessment tick.
Of course the damage is done now, Abbott played politics and won. Garrett only fails because he isnt much of a politician and cant bullshit with the best of them.
Heres the link to the site that says standards were actually improved.
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the standards may have been improved, they are still shit though
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Maybe thats so, but can you really blame Peter Garrett for that? All he was doing was allowing people to get cheap insulation, the regulations within the industry shouldnt be his concern.
Its also worth noting that Peter Garretts own mother died in a house fire when he was in his early 20s. He tried to save her but was driven back by heat and flames. Apparently he heard her screams as she died. This cannot be easy for him especially as the opposition tries to (almost) blame him for the deaths of 4 peope and assorted house fires. Personally I think they planned it that way. They sure fight dirty.
I do however think Garrett is a weak politician and possibly not too suited for the dirty side of politics ( which is pretty much all of it). But that doesnt mean he bungled this one.
Its also worth noting that Peter Garretts own mother died in a house fire when he was in his early 20s. He tried to save her but was driven back by heat and flames. Apparently he heard her screams as she died. This cannot be easy for him especially as the opposition tries to (almost) blame him for the deaths of 4 peope and assorted house fires. Personally I think they planned it that way. They sure fight dirty.
I do however think Garrett is a weak politician and possibly not too suited for the dirty side of politics ( which is pretty much all of it). But that doesnt mean he bungled this one.
but because of that he is a huge liability and major weakness for the government which they would be well advised not to provide or advertise.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
I cant argue with that. I am just dissapointed that a really good program has been scrapped due to opposition misinformation. Hopefully it will be back in another guise. I myself have benefitted from this program (in this case for a hot water system). I think it was one of the better stimulus measures. It saved jobs and helped reduce carbon pollution. Expect more misinformation from abbott leading up to the election.
I think its interesting that people always say they hate politicians , but when a person comes along that isnt really a politician the public turn against it. I really blame the general ignorance of the public for a lot of this.Spark wrote:
but because of that he is a huge liability and major weakness for the government which they would be well advised not to provide or advertise.
this is true. the average person's opinion of a politician is based on one of two scenarios
A. they voted for him, thus he is obligated to make life absolutely perfect, wonderful, and then some. but when this obviously doesn't occur, well then said politician is a smug, thieving, conniving, arrogant, deceitful, hypocritical, aloof, dickheaded evil prick.
B. they didn't vote for him, in which case the politician is a a smug, thieving, conniving, arrogant, deceitful, hypocritical, aloof, dickheaded evil prick, out of principle.
not exactly a win-win scenario.
A. they voted for him, thus he is obligated to make life absolutely perfect, wonderful, and then some. but when this obviously doesn't occur, well then said politician is a smug, thieving, conniving, arrogant, deceitful, hypocritical, aloof, dickheaded evil prick.
B. they didn't vote for him, in which case the politician is a a smug, thieving, conniving, arrogant, deceitful, hypocritical, aloof, dickheaded evil prick, out of principle.
not exactly a win-win scenario.
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The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Damn right . Karma for that one.Spark wrote:
this is true. the average person's opinion of a politician is based on one of two scenarios
A. they voted for him, thus he is obligated to make life absolutely perfect, wonderful, and then some. but when this obviously doesn't occur, well then said politician is a smug, thieving, conniving, arrogant, deceitful, hypocritical, aloof, dickheaded evil prick.
B. they didn't vote for him, in which case the politician is a a smug, thieving, conniving, arrogant, deceitful, hypocritical, aloof, dickheaded evil prick, out of principle.
not exactly a win-win scenario.
I don't care if I voted for him or not, providing he does his job which is:
Formulate strategy
Listen to advisors
Be honest
Formulate strategy
Listen to advisors
Be honest
Fuck Israel
fielding vs. dawkins on q&a
dawkins
catch it on iview after it's done
dawkins
catch it on iview after it's done
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
julie bishop death stare
dawkins is fucking amazing
dawkins is fucking amazing
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
I have a question.. WTF is going on with youth allowance? I really need to find out whether or not the rules are being changed/when they are being introduced to find out whether I am eligible for next year.... Gahhh why can't they just put the political bullshit aside for 5 seconds and come to an agreement. At least then we'd know what the fuck was going on.
no, we are "under surveillance"
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
THERE IS A GOD!
Woo for a R18 rating! Happy days.
Woo for a R18 rating! Happy days.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
You should see what he was done in for. Bastard stepped over the line one time too many.Flecco wrote:
THERE IS A GOD!
Woo for a R18 rating! Happy days.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Excellent, I may actually buy L4D2 if R18+ goes thru.
i don't really care about the r18 rating, i'm just happy such an incompetent myopic fool will no longer be making important decisions.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Agreed.Spark wrote:
i don't really care about the r18 rating, i'm just happy such an incompetent myopic fool will no longer be making important decisions.
noice 
Hope his replacement is reasonable. Looks like the Gamers stalking him had the desired effect.
He was just trying to protect you from the mess that was AvP.
That guy was a visionary. AvP sucked and only he knew it.
That guy was a visionary. AvP sucked and only he knew it.