I agree that the decision was incredibly harshZimmer wrote:
Renault have been penalised and wont be allowed to race in Valencia. That is just stupid.
FIA really have taken it too far. It was a genuine mistake, and they were hoping it was to stay on for the lap so he could pit again. What a bunch of douches. Added to the fact it harmed nobody.
I suppose after a week of safety problems, the FIA want to appear to be "doing something" positive about safety, i.e. penalising teams.
But, Jesus, that is harsh.
But, Jesus, that is harsh.
Harsh, but they want to look like they're doing something in response to the Surtees death and Massa's crash. Renault let Alonso drive around the whole track with a loose tyre, and when you consider that right now "loose objects" are very much under scrutiny, you kind can of expect a semi-knee jerk reaction like this tbh.
I mean, I dunno about banning though.... why not something, anything but a ban. Valencia was boring enough last year without there being less cars on the track!
I mean, I dunno about banning though.... why not something, anything but a ban. Valencia was boring enough last year without there being less cars on the track!
Here is an interesting idea. How about something to cover their exposed heads?
Like helmets?Red Forman wrote:
Here is an interesting idea. How about something to cover their exposed heads?
That did a lot of good didn't it?TPM-J45P3R- wrote:
Like helmets?Red Forman wrote:
Here is an interesting idea. How about something to cover their exposed heads?
It didnt kill him!Red Forman wrote:
That did a lot of good didn't it?TPM-J45P3R- wrote:
Like helmets?Red Forman wrote:
Here is an interesting idea. How about something to cover their exposed heads?
It's one of the fundamental aspects of F1/Open Wheel racing. Unlikely they'll ever change that and have an enclosed/shielded cockpit.Red Forman wrote:
Here is an interesting idea. How about something to cover their exposed heads?
Stuff like this, there's nothing you can do about it except make better even stronger helmets and do as much as you can to prevent debris on the race track.
That helmet saved his life. The drivers are as low as possible in the car and are in such a tight space to prevent risk of these accidents from occuring.Red Forman wrote:
That did a lot of good didn't it?TPM-J45P3R- wrote:
Like helmets?Red Forman wrote:
Here is an interesting idea. How about something to cover their exposed heads?
I was talking about that one bloke who died.Kptk92 wrote:
That helmet saved his life. The drivers are as low as possible in the car and are in such a tight space to prevent risk of these accidents from occuring.Red Forman wrote:
That did a lot of good didn't it?TPM-J45P3R- wrote:
Like helmets?
Well I think 800 grams from the spring that hit Massa was significantly lighter than a moving tyre, if I'm honest!Red Forman wrote:
I was talking about that one bloke who died.Kptk92 wrote:
That helmet saved his life. The drivers are as low as possible in the car and are in such a tight space to prevent risk of these accidents from occuring.Red Forman wrote:
That did a lot of good didn't it?
You can't just make a helmet stronger. It's got to absorb the impact, and the drivers neck is always going to have a hard time shrugging off a 200MPH half kilo of rubber.Mekstizzle wrote:
It's one of the fundamental aspects of F1/Open Wheel racing. Unlikely they'll ever change that and have an enclosed/shielded cockpit.Red Forman wrote:
Here is an interesting idea. How about something to cover their exposed heads?
Stuff like this, there's nothing you can do about it except make better even stronger helmets and do as much as you can to prevent debris on the race track.
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?id=46501Felipe Massa’s condition has improved enough for him to be brought out of sedation and taken off a ventilator, doctors at the AEK military hospital in Budapest reported on Monday evening.
Lajos Zsiros, the chief surgeon of Hungary’s defence forces, told a news conference that Massa was making continued progress and had been able to communicate with doctors and family members.
“His condition has improved significantly over the past 24 hours and he remains stable,” Reuters reported Zsiros as saying.
“We have ended sedation and took him off the respirator.
“He’s sleepy but has been able to reply to questions and has been able to move his limbs adequately.”
Massa suffered a fractured skull after being hit in the helmet just above his left eye by a 1kg spring that had detached itself from Rubens Barrichello’s car during qualifying for the Hungarian Grand Prix.
The surgeon who operated on Massa on Saturday afternoon, Robert Veres, suggested on Monday that Massa’s left eye had been injured, while emphasising that it was too early to know the extent of any damage.
However Zsiros said that Massa had not yet opened his left eye and that until he did so it was not possible to determine whether his vision had been impaired.
Dino Altmann, Massa’s personal physician, said the 28-year-old Brazilian driver was now starting to communicate actively.
“He’s awake, he has been answering questions, he has been asking what has happened to him,” he said.
Altmann added that Massa’s family was “very happy” with the care he is receiving and did not expect him to be moved for the time being.
All Massa’s scans have been clear and Zsiros said it was entirely possible he would make a full recovery, but that an accurate prognosis was unlikely for another week.
I genuinely smiled reading this. Keep going Felipe!
Thing is, he was at the back of the race and was driving on the edges. The only place the tyre could have gone was out of the track. It was a really poor call by the FIA.Mekstizzle wrote:
Harsh, but they want to look like they're doing something in response to the Surtees death and Massa's crash. Renault let Alonso drive around the whole track with a loose tyre, and when you consider that right now "loose objects" are very much under scrutiny, you kind can of expect a semi-knee jerk reaction like this tbh.
I mean, I dunno about banning though.... why not something, anything but a ban. Valencia was boring enough last year without there being less cars on the track!
You know what an Italian reporter said? He was like "What do you think about Alonso being in Ferrari in Valencia?"
I laughed a little at that, but I also thought.... Hm... Interesting.
Yeah there are many rumours as to who is going to replace Felipe for Valencia and beyond. Ferrari already have two test drivers eager for a place in Luca Badoer and Marc Gené. Apparantly Michael Schumacher was being lined up, but Ferrari have denied the claims. And now this about Alonso.
Ferrari have said they're in no rush to appoint Massa's substitute.
Ferrari have said they're in no rush to appoint Massa's substitute.
I really want to see Alonso in Ferrari next year, replacing Kimi.
I'm definately hoping that Massa makes a full recovery, but if not, I'd be surprised if Alonso doens't take his place.
I'm definately hoping that Massa makes a full recovery, but if not, I'd be surprised if Alonso doens't take his place.
I'd like Kimi to stay in the sport if I'm honest with you. He is a very talented driver and he has shown the world he is more than capable of winning a World Championship. Hopefully next weekend when he goes rallying it doesn't convince him to change from F1 to Rallying next year.
Oh, sure, keep him in the sport - I just want to see Alonso in a competitive car again, a Ferrari preferably.Kptk92 wrote:
I'd like Kimi to stay in the sport if I'm honest with you. He is a very talented driver and he has shown the world he is more than capable of winning a World Championship. Hopefully next weekend when he goes rallying it doesn't convince him to change from F1 to Rallying next year.
I'd prefer it if Alonso stayed at Renault. But it won't happen, I know and we all know that. It's just that Renault have done so much for him, they built him a championship-winning car in 2005 and 2006 and even when he neared the end of his spell at McLaren, Renault appeared to still be willing to bring him back. If Renault kept their end of 2008 form and brought it into 2009 then I don't think Alonso would go.
I really don't see Kimi as a good driver. He had a good car, that's all.
Helloooo.Kptk92 wrote:
Apparantly Michael Schumacher was being lined up, but Ferrari have denied the claims.
Michael Schumacher is not ruling out the possibility of standing in for injured Ferrari driver Felipe Massa.
Doubt it, 40 years old, probably not as fit as he once was. Would be lulz to see him back on the track racing in these 2009 contraptions though
Age is just a number, it's Michael Schumacher for fucks sake.Mekstizzle wrote:
Doubt it, 40 years old, probably not as fit as he once was. Would be lulz to see him back on the track racing in these 2009 contraptions though
I really don't get it. He won. Yes, he won many a championship. He won it with Ferrari. Who were utterly unstoppable at that point. He won 7 times with them, but wasn't THAT FANTASTIC A DRIVER. He had Ferrari to thank. Jesus. Fantastic drivers are people like Senna and Hakkinnen, who can actually achieve in any car.Gooners wrote:
Age is just a number, it's Michael Schumacher for fucks sake.Mekstizzle wrote:
Doubt it, 40 years old, probably not as fit as he once was. Would be lulz to see him back on the track racing in these 2009 contraptions though
Yes, he's a good driver, but he's not the best.