lol. Yup i think you're right in some respects there.Skinnister wrote:
Well what can we say about Tony Blair, well firstly that he is a sheep he is bush's little sheep to be excact he follows and does what ever he does , honestly I think bush runs the UK aswell......N[]thing wrote:
Hey dude. I'm also from the UK but to be fair.... Doesnt the same apply with Tony Blair...
Last election every1 said they hated tony blair in the run up and are against all his policies and views on the war on iraq....yet he still managaed 2 stay on. so....
Poll
Do you hate or like Bush ???
| hate | 50% | 50% - 122 | ||||
| like | 28% | 28% - 69 | ||||
| Dont Give A Fuck | 16% | 16% - 40 | ||||
| Dont Know | 4% | 4% - 12 | ||||
| Total: 243 | ||||||
Yeah but our presidents main job is diplomacy, and even if it's tainted by out of the country votes it's fairly accurate.a_n00bt00b wrote:
Well, with all of the people out of country voting on here, I can assure you, this vote is tainted by non-US citizens.
Take into account that Many Kids are in these forums,
and kids base their opinions on what this weeks pop star says.
and They are not voters.
And even if it was ALL U.S. Citizens, many Liberals can't figure out how to Vote.
FLA.. Election ballots for example. it was hilarious !
They Could never figure out even how to register to Vote.
check www.Http//WhyCouldn't_I_VoteForKerryorGore??.ORG
Many got lost on their way to the polls.
Its a sad fact that rain or a storm on Election day Assures a Republican Win.
Liberals won't/Can't drive in bad weather.
If they lose the Whimp and Old Lady vote and their down to a few disgruntled commies who cant afford cars and one or two fat lesbians with saggy tits and hairy arm pits.
" I have a strong Poly Sci backround "
thank you...thank you !
and kids base their opinions on what this weeks pop star says.
and They are not voters.
And even if it was ALL U.S. Citizens, many Liberals can't figure out how to Vote.
FLA.. Election ballots for example. it was hilarious !
They Could never figure out even how to register to Vote.
check www.Http//WhyCouldn't_I_VoteForKerryorGore??.ORG
Many got lost on their way to the polls.
Its a sad fact that rain or a storm on Election day Assures a Republican Win.
Liberals won't/Can't drive in bad weather.
If they lose the Whimp and Old Lady vote and their down to a few disgruntled commies who cant afford cars and one or two fat lesbians with saggy tits and hairy arm pits.
" I have a strong Poly Sci backround "
thank you...thank you !
horseman, at times you make me sad.
on topic, I don't hate Bush. Never met the guy. And wether he is capable of doing his job is something americans have to decide. From my point of view, he has made some mistakes, but that is only human.
We all fail from time to time. Sadly, his mistakes cost the lifes of american soldiers every day.
I general, I don't give a fuck. you handle your guy, we handle ours.
on topic, I don't hate Bush. Never met the guy. And wether he is capable of doing his job is something americans have to decide. From my point of view, he has made some mistakes, but that is only human.
We all fail from time to time. Sadly, his mistakes cost the lifes of american soldiers every day.
I general, I don't give a fuck. you handle your guy, we handle ours.
y dun u luv me lolololololHorseman 77 wrote:
Thats probebly what you see in your news casts in your countrys, what Americans are telling you is what happens here.SharkyMcshark wrote:
The funny thing is that most Americans think that the media is left wing baised against them, but the way that it appears to the resy of tyhe world is that the Murdoch controlled media is all Pro Bush
Greenie Beanzie = cockRat
Soldiers who are ArmedB.Schuss wrote:
horseman, at times you make me sad.
on topic, I don't hate Bush. Never met the guy. And wether he is capable of doing his job is something americans have to decide. From my point of view, he has made some mistakes, but that is only human.
We all fail from time to time. Sadly, his mistakes cost the lifes of american soldiers every day.
I general, I don't give a fuck. you handle your guy, we handle ours.
Soldiers who can shoot back
Soldiers who kill terrorist scum who are outcast and rejected by the countries they claim to support.
Soldiers who are all volunteers
Soldiers who have well over a 200:1 kill to death ratio
Soldiers who are loved by the commen Iraqies citizen
Soldiers who are so loved by their Country that outside of LA or NYC they cant buy their own steak dinner
Soldiers who cant buy drinks anywhere they go out side of LA or NYC
Soldiers who are so successful that The Terrorist have not returned to the USA sice 911
During the previous Adminastration they hit us 9 times, the response?
Masturbation at taxpayer expence in a Public office building.
I make you sad ,, ? maybe you are just "sad"? I think your sad.
If "you don't give a fuck" STFU and stay out of our affairs I assure you me or anyone in my family will never again get involved in yours.
Ps Germany is one big nation again, better hope their golf Links don't get to crowded, they may get....bored.
the only thing will do is watcth the news
Oh why oh why, couldn't Cheny have shot Bush while hunting.
Yes, like an education system.cpt.fass1 wrote:
Our econimy is servierly damaged right now and the money that was spent on the war could have gone to better use at home.
Or if you think about it, body bags for people from the WTC cost how much? Prolly cheaper than fighting in Iraq. Munitions and Fuel are damn expensive. Lets just let these lunatics do whatever they want, will probably save us some money. Come to think of it, they should put up a few more buildings in NYC for people to fly planes into. Make them low cost housing for people on welfare and social assistance. If the buildings got blown up, THINK OF ALL THE MONEY YOU WOULD SAVE!
If you want to put a price on innocent civilian lives, feel free. I certianly wouldn't be.
So Americans are mad at Bush for this law that he had drafted, but they don't give a shit about the Congress and Senate that passed the fucking thing? Thats some messed up logic. Its not like he just dreamed up a system to bypass all the things a bill needs to go through to become a law. If enough of your elected representivies thought it was a good idea to let it pass, then if you really don't like it you should be blaming them.Nitaro02 wrote:
The thing many people seem to have a problem is with his domestic spying deal and the fact that he can have the government tap in on conversations and things. .
Or wait, maybe the whole argument was just a pretense because people need something to whine about.
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Bush is a terrible president.
Who legalised bunny-hopping? Bush?
All you war game BF2 fans out there should support Bush. He has strengthened our military and our country against all the f-ing commies and terrorists. Who gives a f-ck about some domestic surveillance and shit. Would you all rather be dead, killed by some terrorist? Bush took out that jackass Saddam and stopped the damn terrorists.
There should be a scenario in BF2 where the Seals protect Bush while the Insurgents try to get him, a protect the VIP scenario like in Counterstrike.
Holy crap...Connor36, I SERIOUSLY hope you are joking...
Bush rocks! Join the underground!
I will admit this first, I am 16 years old, but I support President Bush. Before I get flamed for only being 16, let me say that not all teens are completely ignorant and just say whatever their parents have taught them. This is not true in my case, as in 2 years, I will be the first member of my family to register as a Republican in at minimum, 3 generations. My family has always tried to make me a democrat, but my own personal beliefs have always conflicted with theirs, and I consider myself a Republican.
Has Bush made mistakes in office, yes. I would be a fool to say he is perfect, and to say we have ever had a perfect President would be ever more foolish. But, overall, in my opinion I think he is doing a pretty decent job, and I will support him.
I know soldiers who have been in Iraq, and some who are going. I pray everyday that they will return safe, and it's hard to cope with them leaving, but that strengthens my resolve as in conversations I have had with them, they feel they are doing the right thing. Personally, I believe it would be un-American to say that we in "the land of the free" have more of a right to have freedom than those in the Middle East. We are all human after all, and we all have to right to live freely and without fear. I do not mean though that the terrorists who threaten the freedom loving world should have this right. I believe peace is good, but when we are threatened, we need to stand up for ourselves.
I support my president, and I love this country. My Boy Scout troop has sent care packages to troops, and we are very proud of this. I hope we made some lives a bit brighter.
I'm a huge fan of the first amendment, and I won't hold one's opinion against them....but on the same note, I will help inform a person and let them make a more informed opinion whether this is for or against the same cause I feel just or wrong. I feel there is no excuse for ignorance.
The word hate is extremly strong, and should only be used in extreme cases when referring to a person. For example, I have a strong hatred for the terrorists who kill innocents on purpose and threaten the security and freedom of peaceful people. But, too hate a president for decisions in office is not, in my opinion, and justified use of the word. I may not have liked Clinton (yes, I remember most of his tenure in office, and I have read about him) but I have a great respect for the man. We should all respect those who have tthe courage to lead, arguably, the world's most influencial nation.
If you hate President Bush, that's your opinion. Personally, I like and respect the guy. In a troubled time, he takes action, and that should be comended. He stands firm to his beliefs, and I admire that. I respect any person who has the resolution to stand for their beliefs should be respected, EXCEPT for a few case i.e. rooting against the troops, killing in the name of God, deliberatly trying to harm a person with different views/beliefs, etc...
Yes, I may only be 16, but from what I have seen of this world, I like Bush and his administration. I will continue my support of Bush, the troops of the US and her allies, and my country.
Has Bush made mistakes in office, yes. I would be a fool to say he is perfect, and to say we have ever had a perfect President would be ever more foolish. But, overall, in my opinion I think he is doing a pretty decent job, and I will support him.
I know soldiers who have been in Iraq, and some who are going. I pray everyday that they will return safe, and it's hard to cope with them leaving, but that strengthens my resolve as in conversations I have had with them, they feel they are doing the right thing. Personally, I believe it would be un-American to say that we in "the land of the free" have more of a right to have freedom than those in the Middle East. We are all human after all, and we all have to right to live freely and without fear. I do not mean though that the terrorists who threaten the freedom loving world should have this right. I believe peace is good, but when we are threatened, we need to stand up for ourselves.
I support my president, and I love this country. My Boy Scout troop has sent care packages to troops, and we are very proud of this. I hope we made some lives a bit brighter.
I'm a huge fan of the first amendment, and I won't hold one's opinion against them....but on the same note, I will help inform a person and let them make a more informed opinion whether this is for or against the same cause I feel just or wrong. I feel there is no excuse for ignorance.
The word hate is extremly strong, and should only be used in extreme cases when referring to a person. For example, I have a strong hatred for the terrorists who kill innocents on purpose and threaten the security and freedom of peaceful people. But, too hate a president for decisions in office is not, in my opinion, and justified use of the word. I may not have liked Clinton (yes, I remember most of his tenure in office, and I have read about him) but I have a great respect for the man. We should all respect those who have tthe courage to lead, arguably, the world's most influencial nation.
If you hate President Bush, that's your opinion. Personally, I like and respect the guy. In a troubled time, he takes action, and that should be comended. He stands firm to his beliefs, and I admire that. I respect any person who has the resolution to stand for their beliefs should be respected, EXCEPT for a few case i.e. rooting against the troops, killing in the name of God, deliberatly trying to harm a person with different views/beliefs, etc...
Yes, I may only be 16, but from what I have seen of this world, I like Bush and his administration. I will continue my support of Bush, the troops of the US and her allies, and my country.
this is on account of earlier posts that horseman had ....where is the big slum in mass? I have lived here my whole life and never heard about it....... and the places in the south (that voted bush) are shitty and have the most uneducated. And why THE FUCK would a Firefighter or a cop "some one who contributes to society" as you said, vote for bush and his tax cuts?.... so they lose thier job??? taxes pay for them! So like some one else said, you are wrong again..... again
Our education system would be a good start for the money, or how about sinking some money into the private security departments of the airports. Newark airport before 9/11 happened had generally poor uneducated people as the security.Rathji wrote:
Yes, like an education system.cpt.fass1 wrote:
Our econimy is servierly damaged right now and the money that was spent on the war could have gone to better use at home.
Or if you think about it, body bags for people from the WTC cost how much? Prolly cheaper than fighting in Iraq. Munitions and Fuel are damn expensive. Lets just let these lunatics do whatever they want, will probably save us some money. Come to think of it, they should put up a few more buildings in NYC for people to fly planes into. Make them low cost housing for people on welfare and social assistance. If the buildings got blown up, THINK OF ALL THE MONEY YOU WOULD SAVE!
If you want to put a price on innocent civilian lives, feel free. I certianly wouldn't be.
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Come to think of it, it's the same now I know my old roommate and one of my best friends is a pilot.
Does he feel safe going to work? No he doesn't cause number 1 he can't and doesn't carry a firearm. Number 2 they haven't changed the security at the airport, example of that a guy boarded a plane with a shoe bomb.
The solution to the problem was Air Mashals on airplanes, but this happens on a secrete shopper type of basis. Meaning that you don't know what planes there on or who they are, and belive me there not on as many flights as we would hope.
Commuting to work on a day to day basis gets tiresome wondering what's going to happen talking to the ticket agents and finding out that there were alot of questions coming out of penn station in New York about fuel and such from unsavery charaters. Most of the security money post 9/11 was misused and spent in the wrong places. And we know that 9/11 wasn't the last attack on american soil it's just a matter of time something else happens and you know why?
Cause we've overspent our resources in the Middle East. My whole Governments reason for existens is to give myself and my children a future in this world. To control import and export to keep job gowth in america steady. To protect my family from things such as 9/11, not on T.V. I'm smart enough to know what to let my kids watch and were to let them play. I don't want them living in a police state, but I do want them to be safe.
Invadeing Afganistan was the right thing to do but did we even finish our job there, Is osami caught?
Our President put us in a position where our forces are very out streached, chasing the american dream in an other country. If North Korea or Iran want to mobilize and start a war right now do you think our troops will be happy staying in a foreign country for more time then they were suppose to?
Horseman there as loved by the Iraqies as much as you would love an occupying force. I've talked to a few friends over there and trust me from there accounts which I trust they are as tired of our force as our force is tired of being there.Horseman 77 wrote:
Soldiers who are ArmedB.Schuss wrote:
horseman, at times you make me sad.
on topic, I don't hate Bush. Never met the guy. And wether he is capable of doing his job is something americans have to decide. From my point of view, he has made some mistakes, but that is only human.
We all fail from time to time. Sadly, his mistakes cost the lifes of american soldiers every day.
I general, I don't give a fuck. you handle your guy, we handle ours.
Soldiers who can shoot back
Soldiers who kill terrorist scum who are outcast and rejected by the countries they claim to support.
Soldiers who are all volunteers
Soldiers who have well over a 200:1 kill to death ratio
Soldiers who are loved by the commen Iraqies citizen
Soldiers who are so loved by their Country that outside of LA or NYC they cant buy their own steak dinner
Soldiers who cant buy drinks anywhere they go out side of LA or NYC
Soldiers who are so successful that The Terrorist have not returned to the USA sice 911
During the previous Adminastration they hit us 9 times, the response?
Masturbation at taxpayer expence in a Public office building.
I make you sad ,, ? maybe you are just "sad"? I think your sad.
If "you don't give a fuck" STFU and stay out of our affairs I assure you me or anyone in my family will never again get involved in yours.
Ps Germany is one big nation again, better hope their golf Links don't get to crowded, they may get....bored.
the only thing will do is watcth the news
Soldiers who aren't properly equiped, soldies who are expected to pay for there equipment if they damage it.
Also don't you live in NYC?? Why don't you buy a soldier a dinner.
Shoe bomber, and the grenade incident in NYC. I'm pretty sure that wasn't some teenagers. Also there still here, fighting a terriorist in an other country didn't make them all leave. If an other attack happens here where are we going to point fingures to? I have to say I"d be for the wire tapping if I knew the government was going to use it properly.
Dynasty, glad to see a more informed response from the Other side.
I'll pose this question to you...do you not feel at all that Bush has gone against your statement about respecting beliefs?
He feels that his god has placed him into office, and that he has a "higher calling," (he has said this on numerous occasions) plus let slip that our attacks against the Middle East were part of a Crusade (yes, everyone flinched when he said that). That being said, he's the commander in chief and has stirred up considerable unrest in a region that does not accept the "American way of life," vis a vis, going against their own beliefs. Forceably, as we removed their President/dictator from power and have killed tens of hundred of thousands of Iraqis in the process, both Civilians and Insurgents alike, based on completely false information that was spun by the President himself to get his way with the war...
Go back a few pages and read the PNAC report I posted. Then please tell me if you still like Bush and his administration.
I'll pose this question to you...do you not feel at all that Bush has gone against your statement about respecting beliefs?
He feels that his god has placed him into office, and that he has a "higher calling," (he has said this on numerous occasions) plus let slip that our attacks against the Middle East were part of a Crusade (yes, everyone flinched when he said that). That being said, he's the commander in chief and has stirred up considerable unrest in a region that does not accept the "American way of life," vis a vis, going against their own beliefs. Forceably, as we removed their President/dictator from power and have killed tens of hundred of thousands of Iraqis in the process, both Civilians and Insurgents alike, based on completely false information that was spun by the President himself to get his way with the war...
Go back a few pages and read the PNAC report I posted. Then please tell me if you still like Bush and his administration.
You are so fucking dumb. Why don't you go smoke your legal weed.Berserk_Vampire wrote:
Because they are American like him and so they are also dumb? But the main reason he keeps winning is because he keeps handing out free mcdonalds meals.|^|DHG|^| Sgt.Skinnister wrote:
Im wondering what people's thoughts are on him because I have seen so many movie clips on all the stupid things he does and wonder to myself WHY is he still in office and why the Americans, if they do, vote for him
its all a blame game,rep's blame dem's and visa vera
all I know is at the present time (and Im a tax paying working man)I can hardly afford gas,milk is $4.00 a gallon,just about anything retail is out of my financial reach.
Ive been in this world 44 yrs and never struggled more than now.
Im not going to sit here and blame him or blame him,I just want to see someone get things turned around and the present commander and chief is running out of time.
I dont want to see what happened in veitnam,where we went there only to lose lives and come back a loser.and as it stands now we may be looking at the same thing with Iraq.
one positive thing going for us is we still have our freedom,without that you have nothing
without that we would not be able to do this,post what "we" or "you" or "I" believe.
god bless those fighting and losing lives to help keep the freedom...
all I know is at the present time (and Im a tax paying working man)I can hardly afford gas,milk is $4.00 a gallon,just about anything retail is out of my financial reach.
Ive been in this world 44 yrs and never struggled more than now.
Im not going to sit here and blame him or blame him,I just want to see someone get things turned around and the present commander and chief is running out of time.
I dont want to see what happened in veitnam,where we went there only to lose lives and come back a loser.and as it stands now we may be looking at the same thing with Iraq.
one positive thing going for us is we still have our freedom,without that you have nothing
without that we would not be able to do this,post what "we" or "you" or "I" believe.
god bless those fighting and losing lives to help keep the freedom...
Americans choose bush so they can deal with him ! and dont give a fuck about him, i allready have to see a totally retard as prime minsister on dutch television (Balkenende)
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maybe I shopuld have phrased it differently. It's your attitude. What are you so bitter about ?Horseman 77 wrote:
Soldiers who are ArmedB.Schuss wrote:
horseman, at times you make me sad.
on topic, I don't hate Bush. Never met the guy. And wether he is capable of doing his job is something americans have to decide. From my point of view, he has made some mistakes, but that is only human.
We all fail from time to time. Sadly, his mistakes cost the lifes of american soldiers every day.
I general, I don't give a fuck. you handle your guy, we handle ours.
Soldiers who can shoot back
Soldiers who kill terrorist scum who are outcast and rejected by the countries they claim to support.
Soldiers who are all volunteers
Soldiers who have well over a 200:1 kill to death ratio
Soldiers who are loved by the commen Iraqies citizen
Soldiers who are so loved by their Country that outside of LA or NYC they cant buy their own steak dinner
Soldiers who cant buy drinks anywhere they go out side of LA or NYC
Soldiers who are so successful that The Terrorist have not returned to the USA sice 911
During the previous Adminastration they hit us 9 times, the response?
Masturbation at taxpayer expence in a Public office building.
I make you sad ,, ? maybe you are just "sad"? I think your sad.
If "you don't give a fuck" STFU and stay out of our affairs I assure you me or anyone in my family will never again get involved in yours.
Ps Germany is one big nation again, better hope their golf Links don't get to crowded, they may get....bored.
the only thing will do is watcth the news
I was simply commenting about Bush, which is what the topic asked for. I was in no way trying to mess with your affairs. How could I ? I'm just one guy in some country...
and why do you always bring up WWII ? You didn't fight the Nazis, and I didn't gas jews in concentration camps. Can't we leave it at that ?
I am in no position to comment on what is supposed to be the appropriate response to terror attacks.
All I can say is that those were different kind of attacks and therefore warranted different kinds of responses.
to what effect, is open for interpretation. no need to be so hostile though.
The man has spent more money than all the presidents combined. The cost of this war is would cost each American today 1500 each. Look at all the americans with out jobs and have there retirements pludered and you tell me if GW Bush has done a good job!!!
Very good question. As I said their are certain exceptions to this. If you are referring to The War in Iraq and removing Saddam, I feel that was a justified effort to supress different beliefs, not the Iraqi people's beliefs, but the beliefs of Saddam Hussien. The second that he killed innocents for political gain, he lost the right to his views. My example for this is the use of chemical weapons on the Kurds.Marconius wrote:
Dynasty, glad to see a more informed response from the Other side.
I'll pose this question to you...do you not feel at all that Bush has gone against your statement about respecting beliefs?
Now, I know there are many people who can say that Bush is killing innocents by leading us to war in Iraq. I do not feel this way, as niether Bush or our troops are over there killing innocent civilians on purpose or for pleasure. Civilian casualties are something we all wish could be avoided, but in any war, and especially one in which the enemy blends into the general population, they are inevitable. A sad truth, but the truth none the less.
Now, if you pose that question in a religious manner, and whether or not he is supressing the views on Non-Christians, then I think he has overstepped his boundries. Make no mistake, I'm a devout Christian, but sometimes his choice of words isn't that grand. To call this a crusade was a political mistake on his part. The teachings of Christ are those of peace, but at the same time, when our homes are threatened, we should protect ourselves. My interpretation of this is that we shouldn't make war unless it is vital to the security of ourselves and our fellow man. You may choose to believe what you wish. I think that Saddam posed a threat to the well being of humans. He killed and imprisoned his own people. He was a criminal against humanity, and he needed to be taken out of power before he could cause more destruction.
I am a firm believer that God has a plan set before each and everyone of us. Whether you accept his plan for you, is a choice of your own. Bush obviously had President of the United States in his furture, but he shouldn't flaunt that like God likes him the most, because it is better to be humble and realize that we are all the same in God's eye.
I think in his quest to make freedom more of a reality to the people of this world, Bush has made some speaking errors, but I believe his heart is in the right place. Maybe he has disrespected some viewpoints, but generally I believe he is taking the steps vital to the survival of keeping different views alive, and he has done this by bringing freedom and democracy to the country of Iraq.