duffry
Moderator Emeritus
+148|7057|Cheshire, UK
This article is already in the wiki but I realised that by not having it in the forum it has less chance for people to add their thoughts and experience to it.

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Laser Guided Missiles
by duffry of Clan=|DMZ|=

- Introduction -
This guide is intended to introduce the role of the gunner in BF2 bombers. It covers the basics of the vehicles and tools and goes on to discuss methods for maximising performance and team play.

Some of the techniques in this guide involve attacking the enemy base. It should be noted that the administrators of some servers do not permit this and the wishes of the server owners should be followed.

- Laser guided missiles -
Laser guided missiles are the most powerful weapons in the game, bar none. Many weapons are ‘one-shot’ against troops and even vehicles but none can destroy commander assets without many impacts or armoured vehicles with splash damage.

There are two types of laser guided missiles in BF2: the US AGM-65 Maverick and the AS-14 Kedge used by the MEC and China
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- BF2 bombers -

Three of the seven BF2 jets are of the ‘bomber’ class; they each have the same munitions:

  * 900 20mm Auto-cannon rounds
  * 4 Air-to-air missiles
  * 5 Retarding bombs
  * 20 Laser guided missiles (LGM)

Each plane carries a maximum of twenty LGMs at a time. Four of these can be deployed in sequence before a brief reload time prepares the next four.

These bombers have two cockpit seats, one for the pilot and a second for the gunner; who only has control over the LGM system.
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The three 'bomber' class jets: F-15 (USMC), SU-30 (China) and the SU-34 (MEC).
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- LGM systems -
The difference between the three bomber jets weapon systems is the targeting displays. Below are three movie clips showing the LGM targeting systems in action.
- F-15 Low quality | High quality
- SU-30 Low quality | High quality
- SU-34 Low quality | High quality

You can see that while their targeting displays are different the basic operation remains the same:
- Slue the targeting head over the landscape to identify targets
- Hold the targeting head over a target to attain lock-on
- Lock-on indicated by change in targeting graphic and a ‘good tone’
Once a ‘good tone’ has been achieved the maverick missile can be deployed and it will attempt to seek the locked-on target. The LGM system is bound to one missile at a time, whether it is still attached to the launch mechanism or on route to a target. Only once this missile has detonated will the LGM system bind itself to the next missile; this means that you cannot have more than one missile in the air at any one time.

LGM targeting Vs Bomb targeting
Both the pilot’s head-up display (HUD) and the LGM targeting screen automatically identify potential targets by putting a white border around any occupied ground vehicles; this includes armour, transport, anti-air and fixed weapon emplacements. While the pilots HUD will identify friendly vehicles from those of the opposing force the LGM targeting screen does not make this distinction.

The images below show the ground target identification of the pilots HUD for the F-15.

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Friendly vehicles
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Enemy vehicles

Using lock-on (or not)
The auto-targeting process above is the standard operation of the LGMs but attaining the ‘good-tone’ takes time and this is not always available. The relative position and speed of the jet and target is vital to ensure that the missile’s guidance systems are able to steer it onto the target. If the jet has flown past or turned away from the target by the time the missile is launched then even with a lock the missile will not be able to impact the target. This is not only a concern because the target is missed but also because a devastatingly powerful weapon will now be impacting where it was not intended; this is the cause of many blue-on-blue casualties.

If a target presents itself but the gunner determines that there will not be enough time to gain lock-on and deploy the weapon before the effective corridor is passed then they can launch without ‘good-tone’ and guide the missile manually. A missile launched without a locked target will steer towards the point under the centre of the gunner’s crosshair. It must be remembered that the gunner is targeting from a moving vehicle and therefore the aim must be constantly adjusted to maintain position on the target.

There is a further advantage to manually guiding maverick missiles to the target as well as being able to launch early and strike targets unavailable if using the lock-on system. Tanks in BF2 have a warning system that alerts the driver to a missile lock-on. Manual launch and guidance denies the driver this warning.

- Targets -
Being highly mobile, finely accurate and devastatingly powerful the laser guided missiles can choose from almost any target in the game. Below are some ideas and guidance to target selection.

Vehicle selection
While it is obviously desirable to attempt to eliminate all targets that cross your screen this is typically impractical and it is therefore necessary to prioritise. When multiple targets present themselves consider the following:

Are there friendly units close by? - Between any targeting inaccuracy and the considerable splash effect of LGMs friendly units close to your target are liable to take damage or be destroyed; choose targets away from friendlies where possible.

Is your pilot going to deploy bombs? - Remember, you are not alone in this plane and your pilot has some powerful weapons to deploy as well. If you are approaching a concentration of targets and your pilot has bombs to drop you may be better served targeting a vehicle on the edges or slightly away from the concentration and leaving the mass for the pilot, this way you maximise the enemy’s losses.

What is the biggest threat? - Typically anti-aircraft vehicles and emplacements are your best first target. At best they distract your pilot’s attention and could induce evasive manoeuvres that deny you an opportunity to target the enemy, at worst they will bring you down. If there is no threat to you look for threats to your team, armour is often difficult for ground based troops to deal with so eliminate any advancing on your troops positions (see ‘Painting targets’ below)

What can you hit? - You have many shots and can launch them in reasonably rapid succession but don’t attempt a shot that is speculative if it means you jeopardise launching on an easier target right afterwards.

Flags
Although troops are not indicated to you on your LGM display they are more than vulnerable to your missiles. If you know the position of a concentration of troops it is often worth manually launching on the area. Be aware of your team’s flags turning neutral, UAV scans, troop ‘spotted’ calls and even where your commander places artillery strikes; all indicate the presence of the enemy (be aware of friendly troop movements also, see ‘blue-on-blue’ below).

APCs in water
The automatic targeting system seems to lock the missiles onto the centre of the vehicle, when an APC is in water its centre is below the waterline. In this situation your missile often requires a steep angle of attack to avoid splashing into the water for much less damage. If your plane is too low to be confident of a clean strike it is sometimes better to manually guide the missile onto the top of the APC.

Bridges
Maverick missiles will destroy bridges, this is obviously a useful tactical move but one that is best performed under order from your squad lead or commander, as your troops may need it. Bridges deep in enemy territory can be destroyed to slow the advance of troops and vehicles.

If you see multiple targets approaching a bridge it may be useful to destroy the bridge on the first pass and request a second. By the time you come back you may find your targets bunched at the end of the bridge ready for you.

Commander assets
Commander assets can be destroyed by manually guiding the missile onto them; a single clean hit has the power to destroy any of them. If they are damaged (i.e. when they have just been repaired but not yet fully) then splash damage is often sufficient.

If the pilot takes an appropriate flight path over the assets then several can be destroyed in one pass; this is illustrated in the movie below.

Commander asset destruction

Air-to-air
If the pilot is out of air-to-air missiles then you can launch onto air targets. Doing this takes careful guidance and great care to avoid any friendly units behind your target. The best targets for this are large helicopters or planes rearming/repairing over their runways.

One prime example of this is engaging the opposite teams bomber. If your pilot can negotiate his way in behind the enemy, he can use his afterburners to gain ground and position himself directly behind the jet engines. Some pilots may use the guns in this instance to destroy the enemy, however an experienced pilot may realise before enough damage is done and pull away. Then the element of surprise has been lost, and a dogfight ensues.

The LGM however is an instant kill. As soon as the enemy bomber begins to dive for a bombing run, or to repair/reload at an airfield, your pilot will need to elevate his position to roughly 10m above the targets altitude, this will open up a much larger area for you to hit, and at that range the points are practically yours.

Engaging air targets

- Flying -

Flying for a gunner
If a pilot is to make the most of his gunner he will need to fly differently to the manner in which they would were they flying a bomber with no gunner or a fighter.

Rapid turns and fast movement characterise the flight style of fighters, focus is on the skies both to avoid and engage enemy aircraft. Bombers focus more on the ground but when not flying for the gunner an erratic and evasive pattern is the norm. Rapid deployment of munitions followed by immediate return to base for more.

When flying to assist the gunner in eliminating enemy targets the pilot should try and avoid the following:
- Low-level flight - this prevents the gunner from seeing most targets and gives almost no chance to destroy them.
- Sweeping turns - while the LGM system can see and launch on targets to the sides of the aircraft when the pilot pulls back on the stick he is turning the missiles away from any targets dramatically reducing their chances of being able to turn back on course.
- Diving attacks - while this can pick out targets for the gunner he has a short firing window before the pilot must pull out of the dive, if the missile has not been locked and fired or manually impacted the change in vector is liable to deny the kill.

Reloading
A bomber pilot has five bombs that are typically deployed in a single strike, when flying alone it is worthwhile returning to base to rearm once these have been dropped. The gunner has five sets of four missiles and can be taking out targets for much longer before rearming.

It is also beneficial to stay in the field for longer to assess the movements of enemy vehicles rather than just getting a snapshot between trips back to the runway.

The effective bomber pilot will be looking for targets for his gunner first and only choosing a target for his payload of bombs when the most worthwhile presents itself. The LGMs are precision weapons ideal for single targets whereas the bombs deliver a powerful spread which is perfect for concentrations of troops and vehicles.

- Comms -
The key to air to ground domination is good communication between pilot and gunner, even the most experienced of crews with hours flying together are benefited by letting each other know what they can see or what they intend.

Reloading
The pilot has many things on his mind and can’t always tell how many missiles have been fired. Setting a gunner up on an attack run can be dangerous and so it is not worth doing when the gunners weapon system is reloading. A simple word to your pilot can let him know that you are temporarily unable to launch to avoid this situation.

Blue on blue
The most common instance of friendly fire kills with LGMs is when the gunner does not know that the occupied vehicle in front of him is a friendly. The pilot must give the gunner cues as to which are the live targets and which to avoid by using the bomb targeting HUD.

Threat identification
If the radar warning alarm is sounding the pilot should start evasive manoeuvring. It is typically difficult to be sure if the threat is another jet or a ground based anti-air weapon. Since it is almost impossible to use the LGM system while the pilot is flying evasively the gunner should be looking out for the aggressor instead, this can be done with the fore and aft views as well as the cockpit free view. Then the gunner should advise the pilot as to the nature of the threat and together devise a means to eliminate/evade it.

Painting targets
Target painting typically means receiving a laser lock-on signal from a third party source. This is a feature that was removed from BF2 during development but a version of it still exists. When vehicles or other threats are spotted my ground troops the gunner and pilot should try and be aware of where this target is and move to eliminate it. This is why the target has been typically been spotted, the spotter needs help.
$kelet0r
Member
+16|6900
good guide
however you omitted optimal tactics for utilising the copilot such as the pilot attacking a target at about 45 degrees at 700mph with his targeting reticle just above or high up on the intended target and pulling up only when past the target
Kung Jew
That one mod
+331|6962|Houston, TX
Great guide.  Will help alot of gunners out there.

KJ
=RDG=[N.B]canadiannnn
Forklift Whore
+67|6985|Canader , eh?
noice
Dr.Battlefield
Got milk?
+150|6969
All depends on your pilot... If he will give you a chance by reducing speed angle etc. you will hit pretty much anything.

P.S. Coo1 guide btw
Scorpian65
Member
+14|6955
Great guide man.

I have a clan member that can hit almost everything he shoots at. We fly together oftend and use teamspeak. I put my nose on targets and always fly at full speed. I drop bombs as well so between the two of us we can deplete the enemy ticket count fairly well. My gunner has taken out countless helo's, other planes, and all commander assets.
Milk.org
Bringing Sexy Back
+270|6993|UK
Awesome guide man lot of time been put into that. Thanks.
Kkookie
Don't Flame
+20|6961|St. Paul, MN

duffry wrote:

Threat identification
If the radar warning alarm is sounding the pilot should start evasive manoeuvring. It is typically difficult to be sure if the threat is another jet or a ground based anti-air weapon. Since it is almost impossible to use the LGM system while the pilot is flying evasively the gunner should be looking out for the aggressor instead, this can be done with the fore and aft views as well as the cockpit free view. Then the gunner should advise the pilot as to the nature of the threat and together devise a means to eliminate/evade it.
when you move to chase nose view bring up the rose and spot your persuer, works like a charm
Maj.Do
Member
+85|6969|good old CA
good guide
notorious
Nay vee, bay bee.
+1,396|6964|The United Center
nice work.

those are some sexy videos.
Ayumiz
J-10 whore
+103|6951|Singapore
featured posts?
Ali
Official Hell Bound Turbo Action Club Member
+17|6927|Gütersloh, Germany
Wow, pretty good guide. I second that Featured Post request.
polarbearz
Raiders of the Lost Bear
+-1,474|7006|Singapore

Feature this. The bloody best guide i've seen in ages. MIKE ARE YOU READING THIS YOU WSO NOOB.
polarbearz
Raiders of the Lost Bear
+-1,474|7006|Singapore

I still can't get over the fact that this is the fucking most awesome guide i've seen in ages. From a pilots point of view:

Lining up your gunner

Cut speed. Your gunner is going to hit jackshit if you're tearing around (even straight) at full speed. A speed of 700 will be nice. When your gunner locks on, he annouces via radio comms 'I'm locked on'. Do NOT twist the jet away at this juncture, and the target will be picked off cleanly. Pilots lining up their gunners should rememeber that the gunner sees the 1/2 way mark on your bomb reticle (directly under your plane's nose). The best is viewing in bomb mode, 1/2 of the pipper would do.

SpawnCamping

The LGM is your best friend in spawn camping. Shove a missile in the hanger while the pilot MGs anything around.

Shouldn't the biggest threat be other aircraft?
Ayumiz
J-10 whore
+103|6951|Singapore
I still hit while my pilot is flying without the afterburner
Ali
Official Hell Bound Turbo Action Club Member
+17|6927|Gütersloh, Germany

polarbearz wrote:

When your gunner locks on, he annouces via radio comms 'I'm locked on'.
I think the only one that can hear him saying this, is the gunner himself. I have never heard or read a lock announce when I'm flying and I know he had a lock because I was flying with a friend and we were talking about Teamspeak.
kn0ckahh
Member
+98|6956|netherlands, sweet lake city
its a good  guide   but  the problem is  that you dont know  what kind of  pilot youll get
HighLowAndGone
Member
+0|6912|Skåne, Sweden
Good guide but I would like to see some of the known issues and bugs regarding the laser guided missiles, for example the one were u have good tone and the missile keeps flying off to the right or left every single time, u have to destroy the plane to get it working again. I would like to see stuff like that in the guide.
chitlin
Banned
+36|6980
that commander asset part was impressive .. be honest it took you like 50 tries =p

i got 40 something hours in a plane and ive spent about 30 seconds of them gunning the bomber ..i think ive killed maybe 2 tanks with it and they were probably both on my team. all they have to do is put a bomber in special forces then ill try it out ^^
Slugga[TeamATi]
Member
+0|6928|Melbourne, Australia
good guide - if only i could get a pilot who doesnt scream around the sky and then decide to screw the pooch and then nose dives into the earth
kilroy0097
Kilroy Is Here!
+81|7061|Bryan/College Station, TX
Great Guide. Absolutely Featured Post Material.

Cheers.
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis
NM156
The H4xor Mod
+161|7064|North Texas
I'm gonna move it to the "Featured" section... cause this shit is that good. (thanks)
mattajohnstone
Member
+15|7005
great post dude one of the best ive seen
duffry
Moderator Emeritus
+148|7057|Cheshire, UK

chitlin wrote:

that commander asset part was impressive .. be honest it took you like 50 tries =p
LMAO, not quite, we took a few to get a good 'take' but it's my fave move on that map so I've worked up to that one.
ty though :D

ok, as to the comments about what's missing...   how's this?
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Coping with adverse launch conditions
While slow flight with a constant vector is the ideal conditions under which to target and launch LGMs this is often not practical in combat situations. If the aircraft comes under threat from land or air it is the duty of the pilot to fly defensively and avoid damage or destruction. Only the enemy is advantaged by an aircrew having to RTB for repairs or a new vehicle.

Defensive flight involves higher flight speeds and steeper turns, both of which hamper accurate missile launches. The most extreme evasive manoeuvres render the gunner's job impossible but with good communication the pilot can alert the gunner to a firing opportunity approaching and stabilise his flight long enough for a launch and strike. In this situation targets are visible to the pilot before the gunner (as the gunner can only see targets blow the reticule in the centre of the pilots HUD) and he can call that a viable target is ahead and that he will be stabilising for an attack. The gunner will have a short window to deploy and land the strike and so will need to use the manual targeting technique. It is also advisable for the gunner to alert the pilot of that the missile has impacted (successfully or not) as the pilot will most likely have lost sight of the target and will want to resume an evasive pattern as soon as possible.

Known issue with the LGM systems
The LGM systems of all bombers are prone to intermittent targeting failures. These failures manifest themselves as a disparity between the targeting system of the onboard Multi-Function Display  (MFD) and the guidance systems of the missile.

While the target lock-on and manual systems appear to function properly the missile deviates from target by approximately 10 degrees. This can have catastrophic consequences for friendly troops near your target. Once the system has started to malfunction it will persist until the aircraft has been destroyed.

While this issue renders the auto lock-on system useless it is still possible to accurately place missiles. The gunner must correct for the missile displacement manually by eye, adjusting from the targeting information on the MFD. This makes the job much harder and more unpredictable but may be preferable to ditching the craft (for example when if has been stolen from an enemy airbase).

Last edited by duffry (2006-01-25 11:36:02)

duffry
Moderator Emeritus
+148|7057|Cheshire, UK
I kinda hoped that within the guide I had been clear that there are two ways to fire; with lock and without it.
Is it not clear?

What targets people go for is to a large degree up to them but I would agree that a plane in a hanger is a ripe target.

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