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2009-05-27 17:07:48
Locoloki
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Bavetta is getting up there.

look at what happened with Donahue (or however its spelled)

I know its really hard being a ref, but I think they should just let them play. Its stupid how people are getting to the line, look at Kobe and Paul Pierce with the fake, lean into the defender, take the shot and get the call. they are purposely trying to draw a foul and its stupid that they have let that become a part of the game. If the refs stopped calling it, the players would stop doing it. Its fucking pathetic during some games when one player takes more free throws than the other team COMBINED. They say the playoffs become more physical. You know what? let the physical part be part of the regular season so the refs dont have to adjust during the playoffs. Im sick of star players being benched for a majority of the first half when they pick up 2 quick fouls. I realize its part of the game and always has been, but that is one factor of the game I hate. Its so stupid to see a shitty offensive foul call, and the next trip down the court they call some bull shit chippy foul on the defender as if to neutralize the first bad call. The refs arent going away anytime soon. I just accept it as part of the game
2009-05-27 17:26:24
Locoloki
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I'm so proud of myself, I actually did some research.

oops ESPN stats fucked me up

Going back through the years, fouls are called a lot more often during the playoffs than during the regular season. so this year is average

http://www.databasebasketball.com/

really the number of fouls called hasnt really varied all that much, maybe it just seems like it because you get 12 different camera angles now and they show 15 replays per foul

Last edited by Locoloki (2009-05-27 17:41:38)

2009-05-28 10:03:08
KEN-JENNINGS
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A good article by Bill Simmons of ESPN

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/st … ortCat=nba
2009-05-28 10:33:33
Zimmer
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Terrific game from Odom. Absolutely fantastic.

They seriously need a new point guard, Fisher is getting old.
2009-05-28 10:43:31
Locoloki
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

A good article by Bill Simmons of ESPN

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/st … ortCat=nba
good article, I read the whole thing

I LOVE the penalty box idea. Like after your 6th foul you have to take a 10 minute hiatus or something like that. Or people who have fouled out can come back for OT.  Bitch about a call? instead of getting T'd and costing your team possession and a freethrow, you go to the box for 5 minutes. Hah remember when the NBA decided to crackdown on players bitching about non-calls and fouls.... that worked well... not really, it just stopped non-allstars from getting 18 freethrows a game
2009-05-28 17:37:18
pilebomb
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It's pretty sad that the only thing we know going into watching a game is that the refs are going to be terrible. It's also upsetting that we're not gonna get the Lebron vs Kobe finals, those MVPuppet commercials have been great!
2009-05-28 17:46:39
KEN-JENNINGS
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Zimmer wrote:

Terrific game from Odom. Absolutely fantastic.

They seriously need a new point guard, Fisher is getting old.
Yeah he did and yes they do.  During the regular season I was convinced Jordan Farmar would be the point guard of the future but his play and demeanor in the playoffs (both this year and last) is totally different from the regular season.  He's one of those confidence players who have gigantic mental deficiencies when the games mean something.

pilebomb wrote:

It's pretty sad that the only thing we know going into watching a game is that the refs are going to be terrible. It's also upsetting that we're not gonna get the Lebron vs Kobe finals, those MVPuppet commercials have been great!
Actually the game last night was a welcome change.  There were a few iffy calls both ways but for the most part the refs swallowed the whistle.  I haven't started watching tonight's game as I'm still at work but we'll see how that goes.  Should be a good one!
2009-05-28 17:47:26
Poseidon
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I still think the Nuggets are gonna win it all.

I'm really hoping for a Nuggets-Magic finals.
2009-05-28 18:15:08
pilebomb
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So the shining star of my Chicago Bulls apparently can't take the SAT himself. The best part is, I don't give a damn, he shouldn't have been forced to go to college for a year in the first place.
2009-05-28 19:12:16
ceslayer23
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cavs win 7 in a row
2009-05-28 19:15:04
blademaster
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Poseidon wrote:

I still think the Nuggets are gonna win it all.

I'm really hoping for a Nuggets-Magic finals.
yea I hope so 2, but I think in reality its gonna be Lakers vs. Magic dont see how the cavs are gonna come back and win three in a row seems unlikely but u never know, but as I said seems unlikely.
2009-05-28 21:19:23
Locoloki
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pilebomb wrote:

So the shining star of my Chicago Bulls apparently can't take the SAT himself. The best part is, I don't give a damn, he shouldn't have been forced to go to college for a year in the first place.
haha thats so funny man... but srsly, how can you not get the minimum on an SAT test... the dude must be brain dead except when he's on the court
2009-05-29 00:05:10
blademaster
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Locoloki wrote:

pilebomb wrote:

So the shining star of my Chicago Bulls apparently can't take the SAT himself. The best part is, I don't give a damn, he shouldn't have been forced to go to college for a year in the first place.
haha thats so funny man... but srsly, how can you not get the minimum on an SAT test... the dude must be brain dead except when he's on the court
who we talking about?
2009-05-29 10:03:27
pilebomb
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blademaster wrote:

who we talking about?
Derrick Rose, starting point guard of the Chicago Bulls and 1 and done wonder that went to Memphis. I get my news links from ESPN
http://espn.go.com/chicago/story?id=4213427
2009-05-29 20:49:13
KEN-JENNINGS
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That's what I thought!  Mofuggin Lake Dogs!

See you in the Finals bitches.
2009-05-29 21:19:04
blademaster
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pilebomb wrote:

blademaster wrote:

who we talking about?
Derrick Rose, starting point guard of the Chicago Bulls and 1 and done wonder that went to Memphis. I get my news links from ESPN
http://espn.go.com/chicago/story?id=4213427
yeha I heard about that today or later on during the day... yeah he had some other people taking the test for him protending to be him so he could get into Memphis University.

But yeah regarding conf. finals: Congratz Lake Dogs from Minnesota hehhehe
2009-05-30 14:35:31
Zimmer
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Aw crap man. Knicks might get Ricky Rubio in an exchange with Memphis. I surely hope not. I would rather he stayed in Memphis and then went on to a better team.

Rubio is way too good for this. He is the best point guard in Europe right now and is coming to the NBA. If anyone watched the Olympics Final Spain - USA, they would have seen how tremendous the kid is. Fucking ran rings around Kidd and CP until he got injured. His shooting from outside the D needs to improve, but other than that....
2009-05-30 15:13:41
blademaster
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Zimmer wrote:

Aw crap man. Knicks might get Ricky Rubio in an exchange with Memphis. I surely hope not. I would rather he stayed in Memphis and then went on to a better team.

Rubio is way too good for this. He is the best point guard in Europe right now and is coming to the NBA. If anyone watched the Olympics Final Spain - USA, they would have seen how tremendous the kid is. Fucking ran rings around Kidd and CP until he got injured. His shooting from outside the D needs to improve, but other than that....
yeah not sure how he'll do in NBA, its hard for international players to be good here there a lot of good international players in NBA. But not sure how the competition was in Europe, and who he played against, here its tough and rough in NBA, since u have huge talent in NBA and different types of players who are huge unlike in Europe where they are built to play and not so much focus on the personal physique. Watched one of his videos but yeah will see how things turn out. If he goes to the knicks or some decent team not sure how much playing time he'll get since the experienced players will get to play first and he might only get some minutes which sucks. If he however goes on a bad team his chances of becoming a superstar increases that is if he gets accustomed to the environment and works hard.
2009-05-30 15:20:20
KEN-JENNINGS
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The competition is getting way better in Europe.  It's improving at such a high rate and the clubs over there are doing better and better to the point where more NBA players are leaving here for there.  The talent pool over there is growing and it's getting to be more and more the farm system for the NBA.  Yes Euro players are renowned for being "soft", but if you look at the new breed they are getting more and more physical - look at Pau, Marc Gasol, Rudy Fernandez, Luis Scola (Argentinian but I still consider him Euro), even guys like Roney Turiaf and Sasha Vujacic are getting tougher and tougher.  It's an exciting prospect that will only make the NBA better.
2009-05-30 15:34:26
Zimmer
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blademaster wrote:

Zimmer wrote:

Aw crap man. Knicks might get Ricky Rubio in an exchange with Memphis. I surely hope not. I would rather he stayed in Memphis and then went on to a better team.

Rubio is way too good for this. He is the best point guard in Europe right now and is coming to the NBA. If anyone watched the Olympics Final Spain - USA, they would have seen how tremendous the kid is. Fucking ran rings around Kidd and CP until he got injured. His shooting from outside the D needs to improve, but other than that....
yeah not sure how he'll do in NBA, its hard for international players to be good here there a lot of good international players in NBA. But not sure how the competition was in Europe, and who he played against, here its tough and rough in NBA, since u have huge talent in NBA and different types of players who are huge unlike in Europe where they are built to play and not so much focus on the personal physique. Watched one of his videos but yeah will see how things turn out. If he goes to the knicks or some decent team not sure how much playing time he'll get since the experienced players will get to play first and he might only get some minutes which sucks. If he however goes on a bad team his chances of becoming a superstar increases that is if he gets accustomed to the environment and works hard.
He's the number 2 draft pick of the NBA..... He is said to be the best international point guard to come out of Europe for a long time.

I'm not comparing NBA to Europe here, I know it's very different. I made a comparison of him against the USA team. Where both Kidd and CP struggled to keep him at bay because of his tremendous skill and movement with the ball. He has the mentality and the composure to be in any NBA team. Don't think of yourselves that highly, blademaster, it shows a lot of arrogance and ignorance towards the rest of the basketball world.

You made no sense in the first sentence.... "it's hard for international players to be good here, there are a lot of good international players in the NBA"....

The fact is, Dirk, Gasol, Calderon, Bargnani, Pietrus, Parker, Turkoglu, Scola, Ming, Ginobili, Nene and Fernandez are all fantastic players. And take this into account, there was never much hype about many of them before they reached the NBA, and on the other hand, there is for Ricky. Although this could be a bad thing, if you watch some of his matches, you will see why it isn't. I recommend you watch the Olypmics final, you will see what I am talking about.
2009-05-30 15:47:07
blademaster
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Zimmer wrote:

blademaster wrote:

Zimmer wrote:

Aw crap man. Knicks might get Ricky Rubio in an exchange with Memphis. I surely hope not. I would rather he stayed in Memphis and then went on to a better team.

Rubio is way too good for this. He is the best point guard in Europe right now and is coming to the NBA. If anyone watched the Olympics Final Spain - USA, they would have seen how tremendous the kid is. Fucking ran rings around Kidd and CP until he got injured. His shooting from outside the D needs to improve, but other than that....
yeah not sure how he'll do in NBA, its hard for international players to be good here there a lot of good international players in NBA. But not sure how the competition was in Europe, and who he played against, here its tough and rough in NBA, since u have huge talent in NBA and different types of players who are huge unlike in Europe where they are built to play and not so much focus on the personal physique. Watched one of his videos but yeah will see how things turn out. If he goes to the knicks or some decent team not sure how much playing time he'll get since the experienced players will get to play first and he might only get some minutes which sucks. If he however goes on a bad team his chances of becoming a superstar increases that is if he gets accustomed to the environment and works hard.
He's the number 2 draft pick of the NBA..... He is said to be the best international point guard to come out of Europe for a long time.

I'm not comparing NBA to Europe here, I know it's very different. I made a comparison of him against the USA team. Where both Kidd and CP struggled to keep him at bay because of his tremendous skill and movement with the ball. He has the mentality and the composure to be in any NBA team. Don't think of yourselves that highly, blademaster, it shows a lot of arrogance and ignorance towards the rest of the basketball world.

You made no sense in the first sentence.... "it's hard for international players to be good here, there are a lot of good international players in the NBA"....

The fact is, Dirk, Gasol, Calderon, Bargnani, Pietrus, Parker, Turkoglu, Scola, Ming, Ginobili, Nene and Fernandez are all fantastic players. And take this into account, there was never much hype about many of them before they reached the NBA, and on the other hand, there is for Ricky. Although this could be a bad thing, if you watch some of his matches, you will see why it isn't. I recommend you watch the Olypmics final, you will see what I am talking about.
ok the point I tried making is that: there are a lot of international stars who come here but they don’t succeed. They may do good in Europe but when they come here it takes them some time to get acclimated to everything else. I’ll watch the finals thingie, seen other good teams in Olympics in the past... that were very good, like in 1990s and early 2000s. Also watched the FIBA too, but yeah there are a lot of good international players I’m not negating that , I’m just saying it’s not the same playing there in Europe or anywhere else around and here in NBA. NBA is more physical, than European style of basketball.
2009-05-30 16:26:47
Zimmer
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blademaster wrote:

ok the point I tried making is that: there are a lot of international stars who come here but they don’t succeed. They may do good in Europe but when they come here it takes them some time to get acclimated to everything else. I’ll watch the finals thingie, seen other good teams in Olympics in the past... that were very good, like in 1990s and early 2000s. Also watched the FIBA too, but yeah there are a lot of good international players I’m not negating that , I’m just saying it’s not the same playing there in Europe or anywhere else around and here in NBA. NBA is more physical, than European style of basketball.
I think you have to take into account that basketball in Europe isn't as popular is it is in the US, and you do have a far wider choice of people to choose from than Europe does, as well as the fact that colleges exist all around the US that deal with specific basketball/american football scholarships. It's very rare in Europe to find such a school that excels in certain sports.

The international players who have succeeded have excelled, and the thing is, you're saying that "there are a lot of international stars". I've looked at the active rosters, and there are very very few interntational players in the first place. So there isn't much to go by. Naturally you will pick american players of internationals, so it's really hard to say somthing like that blade. Thing is, the current international who ARE playing are doing an amazing job. Rudy Fernandez getting the most 3s ever achieved by a rookie in his first season, Gasol being an absolute rock for the Lakers. Marc Gasol proving his worth for the Memphis (most accurate rookie of the year in terms of shooting % and his number of assists higher than many). Parker proving again that he is a true menace as a point guard and can win games solely on his performance. Calderon showing how tremendous his teamplay is and his assist ratio, although his defence is lacking, he makes it up in the number of assists and points per game. Nene who is a force to reckon with in the center.
2009-06-04 11:12:49
KEN-JENNINGS
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Well I've been waiting for tonight's game for about a year now...I've been having trouble sleeping the past two nights.  The amount of shit I've talked over the last 6 months will finally mean something. 

GO LAKERS GO!!!
2009-06-04 11:44:44
blademaster
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Zimmer wrote:

blademaster wrote:

ok the point I tried making is that: there are a lot of international stars who come here but they don’t succeed. They may do good in Europe but when they come here it takes them some time to get acclimated to everything else. I’ll watch the finals thingie, seen other good teams in Olympics in the past... that were very good, like in 1990s and early 2000s. Also watched the FIBA too, but yeah there are a lot of good international players I’m not negating that , I’m just saying it’s not the same playing there in Europe or anywhere else around and here in NBA. NBA is more physical, than European style of basketball.
I think you have to take into account that basketball in Europe isn't as popular is it is in the US, and you do have a far wider choice of people to choose from than Europe does, as well as the fact that colleges exist all around the US that deal with specific basketball/american football scholarships. It's very rare in Europe to find such a school that excels in certain sports.

The international players who have succeeded have excelled, and the thing is, you're saying that "there are a lot of international stars". I've looked at the active rosters, and there are very very few interntational players in the first place. So there isn't much to go by. Naturally you will pick american players of internationals, so it's really hard to say somthing like that blade. Thing is, the current international who ARE playing are doing an amazing job. Rudy Fernandez getting the most 3s ever achieved by a rookie in his first season, Gasol being an absolute rock for the Lakers. Marc Gasol proving his worth for the Memphis (most accurate rookie of the year in terms of shooting % and his number of assists higher than many). Parker proving again that he is a true menace as a point guard and can win games solely on his performance. Calderon showing how tremendous his teamplay is and his assist ratio, although his defence is lacking, he makes it up in the number of assists and points per game. Nene who is a force to reckon with in the center.
k Zimmer, here is the list:

number of international players in NBA.
South America 9 players
NORTH/CENTRAL AMERICA/CARIBBEAN (12 players)
AFRICA (6 players)
ASIA-PACIFIC (4 players)
EUROPE (45 players)
_____________________
TOTAL == 76 players
450 NBA players total

so its approximately 1/6 of NBA players so within every six group of guys one of em can be identified as an international player so not bad.

source

Also go Orlando destroy the Lake Dogs

Last edited by blademaster (2009-06-04 11:46:08)

2009-06-04 11:53:46
usmarine
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blademaster wrote:

Zimmer wrote:

blademaster wrote:

ok the point I tried making is that: there are a lot of international stars who come here but they don’t succeed. They may do good in Europe but when they come here it takes them some time to get acclimated to everything else. I’ll watch the finals thingie, seen other good teams in Olympics in the past... that were very good, like in 1990s and early 2000s. Also watched the FIBA too, but yeah there are a lot of good international players I’m not negating that , I’m just saying it’s not the same playing there in Europe or anywhere else around and here in NBA. NBA is more physical, than European style of basketball.
I think you have to take into account that basketball in Europe isn't as popular is it is in the US, and you do have a far wider choice of people to choose from than Europe does, as well as the fact that colleges exist all around the US that deal with specific basketball/american football scholarships. It's very rare in Europe to find such a school that excels in certain sports.

The international players who have succeeded have excelled, and the thing is, you're saying that "there are a lot of international stars". I've looked at the active rosters, and there are very very few interntational players in the first place. So there isn't much to go by. Naturally you will pick american players of internationals, so it's really hard to say somthing like that blade. Thing is, the current international who ARE playing are doing an amazing job. Rudy Fernandez getting the most 3s ever achieved by a rookie in his first season, Gasol being an absolute rock for the Lakers. Marc Gasol proving his worth for the Memphis (most accurate rookie of the year in terms of shooting % and his number of assists higher than many). Parker proving again that he is a true menace as a point guard and can win games solely on his performance. Calderon showing how tremendous his teamplay is and his assist ratio, although his defence is lacking, he makes it up in the number of assists and points per game. Nene who is a force to reckon with in the center.
k Zimmer, here is the list:

number of international players in NBA.
South America 9 players
NORTH/CENTRAL AMERICA/CARIBBEAN (12 players)
AFRICA (6 players)
ASIA-PACIFIC (4 players)
EUROPE (45 players)
_____________________
TOTAL == 76 players
450 NBA players total

so its approximately 1/6 of NBA players so within every six group of guys one of em can be identified as an international player so not bad.

source

Also go Orlando destroy the Lake Dogs
Can we scrub that list for useless players also?

 

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