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U.S.
Unemployment rate-5.1%
Inflation rate (consumer prices)-3.2%
Budget-revenues: $2.119 trillion
           expenditures: $2.466 trillion
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We all better hope that no superpowers economy collapses.  It has become a matter of being entirely dependent on each other.  If China's economy collapsed (bear with me), That would throw north korea and a few other client states into chaos, and create a massive import vaccum for a lot of countries.  If The US economy collapses, think about what happens.  Mexico looses about a 1/3 of it's GNP.  China, and a few other countries are left with a huge loss of exports.  To have that an isolationist perspective in this day and age is foolish.  Thats why the IMF exists, to make sure things like this don't happen.

^ It's a domino effect^.

Situation:  US Economy collapses.  The majority of the countries that export to the US loose that market, or at the very best it dramatically decreases.  Markets in those countries now have less demand for their goods, so decrease wages or workers to offset that.  The consumers have less money to spend on imports in those countries (say cheese, wool, etc from NZ).  You can do this for almost any place, China, Japan, The EU, etc...

When bush realizes he cant save all of his mcdonalds bussiness and oil he sets off his missles and nukes and kills every one including himself.

Every one cheers.

Bush puts alot of money into mcdonalds thats there newest weapon there bio weapon to give heart attacks and massive weight disorders

If US falls... china will be next super power... then EU tells china to stfu, then we have another cold war lol. not every country in the world can support itself (europe,taiwan, china etc), that is bad coz if one of their largest trade partners fall, they fall too. But countries like australia can support itself

in a couple of years china will over take america and will become the next superpower and the way britian is hanging on to china we are going to be taken right up to the top with them then if we manege to hold on until china falls which will take a while then it is possible that we could be a superpower nation again

B.Schuss wrote:

all the big economies depend on each other, as a lot of profit is made from exports. No country can survive  alone. The US will most likely remain a military superpower. but as far as the economy is concerned, no one will be able to match China in the future. Sure, they lack quality and mostly engage in mass products, but that is about to change

i agree w/ ya b, the main reason china's economy is so good, is coz they have so many ppl getting paid slave wages, after a while the ppl will start bitching and want higher wages. US will and always (until the next century, who knows?) remain a military super power, they spend 400 billion+ every year, and china only spends 68 billion...

on the surviving on itself: what i mean is that they dont need large amounts of imports, australia has enough food, oil, luxuries to sustain itself. so we dont face a lot of economic threats from other countries, we threat them (ok sumtimes)

Every superpower declines.

As for the next one...well, maybe China or Japan (these guys work, thats sure).

And europe is a Continent, not a country, and the EU is just an agregate of countrys (they are joined for economic purposes).

1.  The U.S. stockmarket is on the rise.  You people should pay attention to the clicker at the bottom of CNN or FOX.  Up and Down, thats the way it works, incidentally the human persona works the same way, the stockmarket goes up and so does your attitude-it goes down and so do you.  When the shit is good everyone is content and quiet, when it's bad everyone is irritated and bitchy.  Unfortunatly you mostly only hear the bitchy part.

2.  The U.S. will remain a superpower for at least another 100 to 200 years.  This is based more so on government than military.  Remember the old saying, Democracy is the worst form of government.....except all the others that have been tried.  Being that we are the largest and oldest democracy on Earth and the fact that most democracy's follow Capitalism-hence experianced Capitalists-we are in a unique oppurtunity to control world markets in a sense and sway them in our favor.  Case in point is how most if not all currency is compared and contrasted to the American dollar.

3.  World Police.  Who do countries call when they are in some shit?  Thats right...the U.S.  Even though we may not be popular in the worlds eyes, we are known for being able to kick some ass and come to our "friends" rescue.  Thus, being a world superpower in both commerce and military might, we are dubbed the world police.  Which isn't a bad thing to have, you pretty much set your own path and policies.

4.  We're America.  If you hadn't already noticed, we really don't give a shit what you think (*cough* France).

atlvolunteer wrote:

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

The biggest problem we have is that we have a trade deficit that is continuing to grow.

One of the biggest reason our trade deficit is so large is because of the way China ties the value of their currency to the dollar.  Unfortunately, as far as I know there isn't anything we can do about that.

That seems to be the way of most markets.  Last year the EU countries were experiencing some pretty nasty inflation due to the value of the Euro against the US dollar.  Unfortunately, with countries like China able to produce so much stuff at a substantially lower cost than in the US, companies are lining up to buy or contract out the manufacturing services of this country.  While that may increase the bottom line of an American company, it often comes at the expense of closed plants, laid off workers, and/or lower incomes for blue collar workers.  This has also been extending into the tech field the last few years, leaving many high tech, and skilled workers out of work, or working in a field that is not their discipline, just to have a paycheck.  That is why I also commented on the declinging median income, even though unemployment is down.

Also note that unemployment numbers do not include those that are no longer classified as actively seeking employment.

Bert10099 wrote:

I don't see the U.S. breaking up anytime soon.  Yes, our economy is going down a bit, but we didn't break apart during the Great Depression, now, did we?

As for China's economic boom, it is predicted that China's economy is going to take a huge nose dive in the next 20 years or so.

I don't think that the US will ever breakup.  Seriously.  We have such a strong central government, stronger than any other countries around.  Some of you scream "corruption", but notice just how many people we have cracked down on and removed from power.  If there were some sort of rebellion in the US, I'll tell you right now, Washington would send the whole army down to that place, and restore peace, just like that.

The U.S. will not break up

You can't compare the economies of the depression to our current economy.  The makeup of these economies is completely different.  During the depression our economy was primarily comprised of agriculture and manufacturing; not to mention the type of trade agreements we have now were pretty well nonexistant during that time.  We have far few farmers now and our manufacturing has diminished substantially.  The US' primary thing now is information and new technology development, and countries like India are sending more and more students here to attend US colleges/universities, where they then take that education back to India and US companies outsource high tech jobs.