BF2S Forums Hardcore vs Softcore: Why is one better?

DoctaStrangelove wrote:

Having realistic damage but unrealistic accuracy and recoil doesn't make much sense from a gameplay perspective. Not only does it make spraying and spamming more viable but also it unbalances many of the weapons. In Regular your health is 100, in HC you health is much less.

Some people just like to see their weapons actually do something. For the most part, stealth play in Softcore is limited because in forgoing Stopping Power for the UAV Jammer, you've given the enemy the chance to swing around and kill you.

DoctaStrangelove wrote:

While I am aware that Reg isn't perfectly balanced. in HC there are more imbalances, such as the M14 being a one shot kill and the Deagle being more useful than the skorpion.

The M14/G3 are balanced by the fact that they're semi-auto weapons. The Snipers are one shot weapons too. So are the Shotguns (provided you're in range)

All it really comes down to weapons-wise is personal preference. Many weapons that are usually foregone in Softcore are used in Hardcore because they actually do something. I prefer the Colt pistol to most other weapons, just because I like it. Even if you're 'pro', picking a pistol as a weapon in Softcore is a pretty bad idea.

DoctaStrangelove wrote:

Most of all HC is just more frustrating, with death so easy you have no time to think, no time to react, there really is no way to win if the other guy saw you first unless you have a much superior weapon.

A 'superior' weapon does nothing if the other guy shoots first. Much of Hardcore comes down to reaction times and careful planning of where to go as not to get shot. It's a different style of play, but that doesn't make Softcore 'better'.

mtb0minime wrote:

It really depends on what mode you're playing. For Sab and S&D, HC seems to be better. However, I think "Softcore" is better since it requires more skill to kill people. In HC you can spray everywhere and rack in kills easily, but with non-HC, you have to actually hit your target more than once. However, in HC, I tend to notice a little bit more teamwork when it comes to certain modes, especially S&D; people seem to take their time in that one.

I wouldn't know about the other modes, as I tend to play TDM all the time. As for requiring 'more skill' that's a matter of opinion: I say it requires more patience. As for teamwork, as I don't play outside of TDM often, I can safely say I've noticed a distinct lack of Teamwork across the board.

mtb0minime wrote:

Overall, though, my vote goes to softcore. It actually involves strategy in picking your perks, flanking, and defending, whereas HC is all about spraying with double tap or stopping power.

Strange, I'd reverse those and say that HC involves strategy in picking your perks, flanking, and defending and Softcore is all about spraying with double tap or stopping power.

As HC takes less shots to kill someone with, both of those perks don't offer a huge advantage so you could easily have something like UAV Jammer and not lose out too much in killing power, whereas in SC you'd have a distinct advantage over anyone not using them.

Last edited by Fenris_GreyClaw (2008-05-22 22:36:20)

If you arn't playing with spammers HC is quite good, and I like being able to headshot in one bullet, also I rarely came across complete spammers in HC compared to SC anyway.
Also i only played HC with low amounts of people, to many people = spam/grenades/fail everywhere
I don't mind either, I suppose I prefer HC though

HC. Nothing more frustrating that putting half a clip in someone and then having them run away or kill you. Requires you to listen, pay attention, and go for kill streaks so you can get UAV and build your SA. Plus there is some element of teamwork with people saving their UAVs and activating them when someone gets an airstrike ready to go.

I'm not completely against HC, but the people playing it are worthless for the most part. That is why so many people play it. Every, if not almost every, gun can kill in one shot in HC, and I don't mean headshots. I'm pretty sure this even applies to wall spam. Then there is the whole issue with camping. Hardly anyone actually moves in HC, and the game turns into nonstop camp match.  This defeats the point of playing objective based games as they all turn into tdm.  It is fun to run around one shotting people with the 1911 though.

Then there are the tactical realism dipshit servers where jumping, moving while not crouched, and shooting without using iron sights are illegal.  The people that run these servers claiming that they are realistic don't have a clue what they are talking about.

SC is far better.  Objective based games are actually played using the objectives.  You have a chance to react to something if you get caught off guard.  The only flaws are the minimap showing your position because you shot without a silencer and a headshot can only happen if the person is already injured.

FEOS wrote:

HC. Nothing more frustrating that putting half a clip in someone and then having them run away or kill you.

This type of quote never ceases to amuse me, and it is has to be the number one reason used to defend camp core. It's not the game mode, it is your aim. It doesn't even take close to half a clip to kill someone if you aim properly. The difference in shots needed to kill in SC is at most 2 more than what is needed in HC.

Fenris_GreyClaw wrote:

mtb0minime wrote:

It really depends on what mode you're playing. For Sab and S&D, HC seems to be better. However, I think "Softcore" is better since it requires more skill to kill people. In HC you can spray everywhere and rack in kills easily, but with non-HC, you have to actually hit your target more than once. However, in HC, I tend to notice a little bit more teamwork when it comes to certain modes, especially S&D; people seem to take their time in that one.

I wouldn't know about the other modes, as I tend to play TDM all the time. As for requiring 'more skill' that's a matter of opinion: I say it requires more patience. As for teamwork, as I don't play outside of TDM often, I can safely say I've noticed a distinct lack of Teamwork across the board.

mtb0minime wrote:

Overall, though, my vote goes to softcore. It actually involves strategy in picking your perks, flanking, and defending, whereas HC is all about spraying with double tap or stopping power.

Strange, I'd reverse those and say that HC involves strategy in picking your perks, flanking, and defending and Softcore is all about spraying with double tap or stopping power.

As HC takes less shots to kill someone with, both of those perks don't offer a huge advantage so you could easily have something like UAV Jammer and not lose out too much in killing power, whereas in SC you'd have a distinct advantage over anyone not using them.

Well I rung for a team and it was a hardcore match on Crossfire... It wasn't fun getting picked running across the street while it's smoked by an M16 never played hardcore again. And the whole skill thing is not a matter of opinion you just haven't played with anyone decent. And hardcore you can have any perks and just fucking camp and be good at it it's not hard at all, it will never be difficult if you can one shot someone with the deagle, I can call in a chopper with one deagle clip, i'm good with the Deagle in scrims which requires 2-3 shots with a deagle 4-5 through walls no Deep Impact. Anyways it's too easy especially with the Ak and the Deagle One shot kill with both weapons through walls gtfo of here to say that involves strategy and skill.

Johnny_Extremer wrote:

Well I rung for a team and it was a hardcore match on Crossfire... It wasn't fun getting picked running across the street while it's smoked by an M16 never played hardcore again.

A) Don't keep running across the street then. Did that ever occur to you?
B) So you played it once and had a bad time? Play it for at least week and see how it is then.

Just know that you can't play HC the same way as SC (IE: Running into the enemy's line of fire on purpose).

Johnny_Extremer wrote:

And the whole skill thing is not a matter of opinion

You're taking my quote out of context; I'm saying it doesn't take more skill to kill people in SC, just more time/shots. It actually takes brainpower to see that you can't play both modes the same way - you need different strategies for each one.

Johnny_Extremer wrote:

And hardcore you can have any perks and just fucking camp and be good at it it's not hard at all,

You can do the same in Softcore. Camping happens in just about every FPS game, regardless of the mode it's in. I see just as much of it across both modes.

Johnny_Extremer wrote:

it will never be difficult if you can one shot someone with the deagle, I can call in a chopper with one deagle clip, i'm good with the Deagle in scrims which requires 2-3 shots with a deagle 4-5 through walls no Deep Impact. Anyways it's too easy especially with the Ak and the Deagle One shot kill with both weapons through walls gtfo of here to say that involves strategy and skill.

You could say the same for every other weapon save the handful which lack the clip size, but quite frankly, I don't care how good you think you are; that has no impact on whether or not a game mode is good or not. Now go blab your 'IM SO LEET' bullshit somewhere else.

FatherTed wrote:

Fenris_GreyClaw wrote:

FatherTed wrote:

If it's taking you half a clip to kill someone on "softcore", you're doing it wrong.

With SP, AK kills in 4 body shots, m16 often drops in one burst, M40 mostly kills in one shot.


And that isnt counting headshots.

Now take off SP and rethink your answers.

Ok, good example.

One of my classes is Silenced M4 + Bandolier + UAV Jammer + Extreme Conditioning.


I can still get 4 kills per clip, easily.

I meant that it would then take between 4 and 6 shots to kill, meaning you have to keep on target longer. See:

As for requiring 'more skill' that's a matter of opinion: I say it requires more patience.

All you really did there was have a 'I'm leet' moment.

Hardcore is better tbh.

Especially my patented stealth kit

This thread should be properly titled "Post about Softcore being better so Fenris can argue with you"

SharkyMcshark wrote:

This thread should be properly titled "Post about Softcore being better so Fenris can argue with you"

Fixed

Hardcore, nothing is more aggravating than having a juggernaut survive a well placed shot to the head with a sniper rifle...

Keep in mind that if it's easier to kill in HC, it's easier to die.